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#26: Nov 19th 2017 at 6:15:10 AM

Sure, but a lot comes down to how the people react, there’s a real risk for the ruling powers that the public take this small change and try and snowball it into something bigger.

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#27: Nov 20th 2017 at 4:11:43 AM

Chaos in Zimbabwe after Mugabe fails to announce expected resignation

Zimbabwe’s ongoing crisis descended into outright chaos on Sunday after president Robert Mugabe failed to announce his resignation as widely expected in a national address on live television.

Instead, in a rambling 30 minute address, Mugabe offered no concessions to his critics, the tens of thousands who marched calling for his resignation or the army commanders who led the military takeover last week.

The 93-year-old autocrat said that “we cannot be guided by bitterness or revengefulness which would not makes us any better ... Zimbabweans” and said that he would preside over a special congress of the ruling Zanu-PF party scheduled for next month – suggesting he has no immediate intention of stepping down.

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#28: Nov 20th 2017 at 4:29:27 AM

If anybody is at all surprised that Mugabe just couldn't bring himself to outright hand power over in a clear and concise way...

They have not been paying attention.

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edited 20th Nov '17 4:32:30 AM by Euodiachloris

Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#29: Nov 21st 2017 at 8:11:50 AM

Mugabe has resigned, according to parliament.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/21/africa/robert-mugabe-resigns-zimbabwe-president/index.html

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betaalpha betaalpha from England Since: Jan, 2001
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#30: Nov 21st 2017 at 9:43:28 AM

I'm half expecting Mugabe to later claim that he never actually wrote that resignation letter...

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#31: Nov 21st 2017 at 10:50:49 AM

Would also not surprise me if he was telling the truth.

Part of me wonders if it would have just been easier to go the Salazar route with him...

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#32: Nov 21st 2017 at 11:10:33 AM

would have just been easier to go the Salazar route with him...

You mean falling down from a chair, becoming incapacitated (while having phony government meetings and thinking you're still in charge, even though you're mostly bed-ridden and unable to properly rule/govern), and then dying a year or two later, while being succeded by a guy who tried to merely make reforms within the system (and said guy was then deposed with a revolution that had far less blood than most domestic revolutions)?

Sounds like a lot of work and happenstance to me... You're right about the easier part, when it comes to comparisons, that's for sure, though I doubt Zimbabwe will have an easy road.

edited 21st Nov '17 11:12:05 AM by Quag15

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#33: Nov 23rd 2017 at 7:44:46 AM

Sources close to Mugabe's resignation negotiations have said that Mugabe has been granted an amnesty and guarantees of his safety in Zimbawe made as part of the deal made for him to resign.

A government source said Mugabe, who is 93, told negotiators he wanted to die in Zimbabwe and had no plans to live in exile.

“It was very emotional for him and he was forceful about it,” said the source, who is not authorized to speak on the details of the negotiated settlement.

“For him it was very important that he be guaranteed security to stay in the country...although that will not stop him from traveling abroad when he wants to or has to,” the source said.

Mugabe resigned on Tuesday as parliament began a process to impeach him, sparking wild celebrations in the streets. His rapid downfall after 37 years in power was triggered by a battle to succeed him that pitted Mnangagwa against Mugabe’s much younger wife Grace.

“The outgoing president is obviously aware of the public hostility to his wife, the anger in some circles about the manner in which she conducted herself and approached ZANU-PF party politics,” a second source said.

“In that regard, it became necessary to also assure him that his whole family, including the wife, would be safe and secure.”

Mugabe will receive a retirement package that includes a pension, housing, holiday and transport allowance, health insurance, limited air travel and security.

The ageing former president was “rugged and drained” by events of the past week and may travel to Singapore for medical checks in the coming weeks, the source said. He had been due to leave for Singapore in mid-November before the military put him under house arrest.

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#34: Nov 23rd 2017 at 7:47:58 AM

[up] I guess it would make sense for him to agree to that as long as it meant he could avoid the Mussolini or Gaddafi treatment.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#35: Nov 23rd 2017 at 12:36:40 PM

Probably means his wife is safe to, at least as long as he is alive. Then...she'd be smart to hop across the border.

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somerandomdude from Dark side of the moon Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
#36: Nov 26th 2017 at 7:37:34 PM

A couple of Zimbabweans fleeing political instability into South Africa? They'll fit right in!

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Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#37: Nov 27th 2017 at 5:09:41 AM

Can't they pop to Mozambique, instead? Whenwes are a lot more exotic, there. tongue

Quag15 Since: Mar, 2012
#38: Nov 27th 2017 at 7:37:14 AM

[up]Last time I checked, there's also political instability (or at least an ongoing aftermath) within Moçambique (after the RENAMO insurgency in 2014), there were reports by Doctors Without Borders and the Human Rights Watch that there are some government forces who are torching villages and carring out summary executions and sexual abuses.

(Sorry for the very serious answer, but I thought it had to be said)

edited 27th Nov '17 7:38:03 AM by Quag15

Euodiachloris Since: Oct, 2010
#39: Nov 27th 2017 at 8:00:38 AM

[up]Kind of my point. A fair whack of Mozambique's current unrest? <points at Robert Mogabe> Somebody helped stir that pot for decades.

So, yeah. I'd love for him to face consequences.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#40: Dec 3rd 2017 at 6:14:00 PM

Looks like there's a reshuffling on the cabinet due to most of them being military officers...

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#41: Mar 25th 2018 at 3:05:56 AM

Rare news from Mugabe these days. He calls the events in Harare a coup.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#43: Aug 1st 2018 at 2:24:31 AM

Mugabe in the news mentioned that he backs the MDC in the elections since he's pissed at the ZANU-PF for tossing him out.

He denied allegations that Grace is his successor. He said that his choice would be Sydney Sekeramayi.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#44: Aug 2nd 2018 at 8:37:59 AM

Things are quiet now in Harare after MDC supporters went nuts in street protests.

Armed police and soldiers are going around, shouting "Behave yourselves!" to make sure people stay at home.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#45: Jan 14th 2019 at 7:01:53 PM

So the new president is now dealing with protests over a fuel price hike, per Reuters and the BBC. Whether this leads anywhere will be interesting.

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#46: Aug 10th 2019 at 6:03:47 AM

I heard Mugabe's selling his combine harvesters according to what I heard from the BBC.

FFShinra Since: Jan, 2001
#47: Aug 10th 2019 at 8:44:15 AM

Guess that means he's not getting any sort of stipend. Oh well. Either that or his wife is a spend thrift....

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#48: Aug 12th 2019 at 6:04:39 PM

Reports are coming in that Mugabe's going to be in Singapore for a bit longer...

Ominae Since: Jul, 2010
#49: Sep 5th 2019 at 10:47:07 PM

Mugabe passed away. AFP broke the news.

Robert Mugabe, who has died aged 95, used repression and fear to hold on to power in Zimbabwe for 37 years until he was finally ousted when his previously loyal military generals turned against him.

After his humiliating fall from office in November 2017, his phenomenal physical stamina seeped away rapidly.

First heralded as a liberator who rid the former British colony Rhodesia of white-minority rule, Robert Gabriel Mugabe will instead be remembered a despot who crushed political dissent and ruined the national economy.

The former political prisoner turned guerrilla leader swept to power in the 1980 elections after a growing insurgency and economic sanctions forced the Rhodesian government to the negotiating table.

In office, he initially won international plaudits for his declared policy of racial reconciliation and for extending improved education and health services to the black majority.

But his lustre faded quickly.

Mugabe had taken control of one wing in the guerrilla war for independence — the Zimbabwe African National Union (ZANU) and its armed forces — after his release from prison in 1974.

His partner in the armed struggle — the leader of the Zimbabwe African People's Union (ZAPU), Joshua Nkomo — was one of the early casualties of Mugabe's crackdown on dissent.

Nkomo was dismissed from government, where he held the home affairs portfolio, after the discovery of an arms cache in his Matabeleland province stronghold in 1982.

Mugabe, whose party drew most of its support from the ethnic Shona majority, then unleashed the North Korean-trained Fifth Brigade on Nkomo's Ndebele people in a campaign known as Gukurahundi that killed an estimated 20,000 suspected dissidents.

Yet it was the violent seizure of white-owned farms nearly two decades later that would complete Mugabe's transformation into an international pariah — though his status as a liberation hero still resonates strongly in most of Africa.

Aimed largely at placating angry war veterans who threatened to destabilise his rule, the land reform policy wrecked the crucial agricultural sector, caused foreign investors to flee and helped plunge the country into economic misery.

At the same time, Mugabe clung to power through increased repression of human rights and by rigging elections.

- 'Reptilian quality' -

"He was a great leader whose leadership degenerated to a level where he really brought Zimbabwe to its knees," said University of South Africa professor Shadrack Gutto.

Britain's former foreign secretary Peter Carrington knew Mugabe well, having mediated the Lancaster House talks that paved the way for Zimbabwe's independence.

"Mugabe wasn't human at all," Carrington told biographer Heidi Holland. "There was a sort of reptilian quality about him.

"You could admire his skills and intellect... but he was an awfully slippery sort of person."

In the final decades of his rule, Mugabe — one of the world's most recognisable leaders with his thin stripe of moustache and thick-rimmed spectacles — embraced his new role as the antagonist of the West.

He used blistering rhetoric to blame his country's downward spiral on Western sanctions, though they were targeted personally at Mugabe and his henchmen rather than at Zimbabwe's economy.

"If people say you are dictator... you know they are saying this merely to tarnish and demean your status, then you don't pay much attention," he said in a 2013 documentary.

After decades in which the subject of succession was virtually taboo, a vicious struggle to take over after his death became apparent among the party elite when he reached his 90s and became visibly frail.

He had been rumoured for years to have prostate cancer, but according to the official account, his frequent trips to Singapore were related to his treatment for cataracts.

Mugabe's second wife Grace — his former secretary who is 41 years his junior and had been seen as a potential successor — boasted that even in his 80s he would rise before dawn to work out.

"The 89 years don't mean anything," Mugabe said shortly before his last election in 2013.

"They haven't changed me, have they? They haven't withered me. They haven't made me senile yet, no. I still have ideas, ideas that need to be accepted by my people."

But in his later years, he stumbled and fell more than once.

- The Catholic Marxist -

Born on February 21, 1924 into a Catholic family at Kutama Mission northwest of Harare, Mugabe was described as a loner, and a studious child known to carry a book even while tending cattle in the bush.

After his carpenter father walked out on the family when he was 10, the young Mugabe concentrated on his studies, qualifying as a schoolteacher at the age of 17.

An intellectual who initially embraced Marxism, he enrolled at Fort Hare University in South Africa, meeting many of southern Africa's future black nationalist leaders.

After teaching in Ghana, where he was influenced by founder president Kwame Nkrumah, Mugabe returned to Rhodesia where he was detained for his nationalist activities in 1964 and spent the next 10 years in prison camps or jail.

During his incarceration, he gained three degrees through correspondence, but the years in prison left their mark.

His four-year-old son by his first wife, Ghanaian-born Sally Francesca Hayfron, died while he was behind bars. Rhodesian leader Ian Smith denied him leave to attend the funeral.

He once said that he'd rule his country until he turned 100, and many expected him to die in office.

But as his health weakened, the military finally intervened in late 2017 to ensure that his wife Grace's presidential ambitions were ended in favour of their own preferred candidate.

"His real obsession was not with personal wealth but with power," said biographer Martin Meredith.

"Year after year Mugabe sustained his rule through violence and repression — crushing political opponents, violating the courts, trampling on property rights, suppressing the independent press and rigging elections."

Mugabe leaves two sons and a daughter by second wife Grace.

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#50: Sep 6th 2019 at 6:03:56 AM

So far it looks like "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss".

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