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The shonen influence, but I believe that doesn't work in either case. We know the D6 won't change, and neither will Eggman, so that attitude doesn't work for me.
Sadly, Sonic is a lover of freedom, so him arresting anyone is out of the bag. They arrested Zavok because he wasn't around at the time. And then Starline broke him out.
Jeez, Starline.
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Is letting the villain go really that common among shonen heroes? I'm not quite the expert on the genre but from what I've seen, shonen heroes either kill their villains, lock them up or do something to ensure they can't menace anyone else again. Even Goku, who is now considered the poster boy for the kind of idiocy Sonic is being criticized for, wasn't this lax with his villains and only started having this problem in Super.
Goku only killed like two people in all of Dragon Ball Z. His indiscriminate murder days were left behind as a child.
I'm pretty sure he killed only one person (Raditz). He didn't kill Frieza but not from a lack of trying admittedly.
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I'm sure it doesn't happen with all Shonen heroes, is just that Goku is the most known for this detail. I'm unaware what hero lets them go, because Goku did so for the same reason: it would be a waste, as he wanted to fight those guys again.
Piccolo, Vegeta, and Freeza got that fate. Freeza fought back, but he settled that deal in Super, and he's still a unrepeant monster.
I don't know if this detail works with Sonic, because every character who has done a Heel–Face Turn was heroic to begin with. Knuckles, Shadow, Blaze, the knighty trio. And Gemerl was reprogrammed, so this narrative doesn't work with, say, Metal Sonic.
Honestly, I'll say this narrative was born because canonically Sonic has no in-reason for why he doesn't deal with Eggman other than "there wouldn't be a story".
Edited by Tomodachi on Sep 14th 2021 at 5:36:06 AM
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x2 Not even that, Raditz(as well as Gokū) was killed by Piccolo's Makankōsappō.
The two kills Gokū had as an adult were Yakon and Pure Buu.
Edited by jouXIII on Sep 14th 2021 at 6:24:52 PM
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...come to think of it I think most shonen heroes actually do end up killing their enemies Disney Death or otherwise. Huh. Weird to think about.
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If Character Rant from Reddit has taught me something, is that cliches that everyone hates are usually done by a minority of shows that did it baddly. "Villains getting redeemed" was done in Steven Universe, She-Ra and maybe Naruto, and "the hero letting the villains go" was done with Batman ("why doesn't Batman kill the Joker?") and Dragon Ball (in which Goku did that with Vegeta, Piccolo, and Freeza)
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Well, with Piccolo it was justifiable, since if Gokū had killed Piccolo, it would have killed God, and with him, the Dragon Balls.
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I've seen this argument enough that I'm considering putting a note about it on YMMV. Any thoughts?
What trope did you list it under?
I haven't yet. I'm going to wait until I get more responses. I posted a further explanation on the comic's YMMV discussion section.
Edited by Negacube on Sep 15th 2021 at 4:40:48 AM
Could you link to that please?
Letting Eggman go isn't even generally a problem in the games, either. Mostly it's a recurring case of No One Could Survive That!. I'm still not entirely sure he escaped the empty timeless white place from Generations. Hardly Sonic's fault he forgot to double tap when he sends Eggman plummeting from orbit from the death egg robot or something.
I'm pretty sure in some Sonic game you can actually hit Egg Mobile as he's escaping in the last level. EDIT: Wow, it's in the very first game. Sonic tried to kill Eggman in their very first encounter and then just gave up.
If I was a hero and some villain was mocking me for letting him live, I'd answer "Sooo, you want me to kill you? Because it sounds like you're trying to talk me into it. Do you have any idea how dumb you sound?"
Edited by Sunchet on Sep 15th 2021 at 1:55:25 PM
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Read the issue.
I'm satisfied with the closure to the Deadly Six. They arrived to Lost World unharmed, calling Tails's virtue "a weakness". Despite the members feeling discouraged, Zavok motivates them as their defeat was a lesson, and they will return mure ruthless than before. Not my prefered closure, because I feel the D6 didn't do much once they returned together, and this is especially true for Zeena and Zor, who weren't focused at all. I do appreciate Zazz and Zomon being in a pathetic state once the world recovered, because that was geniunely funny.
It's a good ending for recurring villains compared with their debut, where they just dissapeared.
Regarding Starline. Starline manages to extract what he was looking from Belle: her positive attributes; loyalty, familial devotion, a sense of purpose. Honestly, Starline making the goofy faces while looking for personality codes for his imposters is funny. I wonder if this means Surge and Kit will be "daddy boys".
Nice issues.
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Oh wow. Knowing the people of the village rejected Belle after what Eggman did is depressing. Poor girl. I literally don't think there's enough hugs.
Even the elder threw her out, and he was the one most in favour of giving Eggman a chance. Honestly, that really should be acknowledged more. All the people there knew that Mr. Tinker was a ticking bomb, but they still campaigned for Sonic to let him stay. They convinced him, not the other way around.
My thirst for blood demands they acknowledge their screw up, but I'm not sure what worse you could do to them after the entire debacle with the Zombots.
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If the villain is Not Afraid to Die, they'd likely respond with "yes".
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Plus, it's all about proving the hero isn't as noble as they claim either.
It's one of those annoying situations where the villain gains some kind of victory. Either the hero kills them, and it's used to prove their twisted logic that said hero isn't really a hero, or the hero spares them, they come back, and prove in doing so, show that the hero is foolish for sparing them.
Of course, there's probably some kind of false dichotomy there, but I don't know if I can express it accurately.
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I guess that depends on a villain. It wouldn't work on Joker, obviously but not every villain would be happy to die just to prove a point. Zavok likely wouldn't.
Caught up via videos and saw 44 and wow.
I'm a bit of a Broken Base on the Deadly Six. The way they were Put on a Bus made sense, but it felt like the road to get there was anti climatic. They did better against Sonic, but it feels like only Zavok and Zik got some focus, and even then it felt Zik was the only who learned something. Zeena was cool for the little we saw of her and Zor and Zazz seemed really worfed.
As for Belle. If my mental state was any normal, I think I would've been able to cry at that. Like damn that hurt, and maybe the Sadness theme from Adventure was playing in the background, but for all that to happen to a girl is just...damn
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I did say something similar a couple of comments ago. Maybe I could add that to the They Wasted a Perfectly Good Character reaction.
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Well Dragon Ball is an influence on the franchise.