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SatoshiBakura (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#1: Jun 25th 2017 at 7:49:49 AM

This was said by Valiona on the discussion page:

I've noticed many examples, such as the Persona 5 ones, have evidence that's seemingly cherry-picked and used to portray the character in the worst possible light, while condescendingly saying something to the effect of "The author wants us to believe this character's sympathetic, but if you believe that, I've got a bridge I'd like to sell you," so some examples are of people not liking a character who isn't designated as totally unsympathetic.

There seems to be characters that people are listing that are sympathetic, but due to some more unsavory traits, are deemed unsympathetic. What I've learned is that there is a difference between being unjustified and unsympathetic. For example from Persona 5:

  • Goro Akechi has gotten this treatment from a lot of fans. A lot of fans believe that his Dark and Troubled Past does not excuse how he killed multiple people including Futaba's mother, Haru's father, and Joker in the bad endings. In addition, a lot of people felt that his Alas,Poor Villain moment felt a bit forced and as a result, he became a massive Base-Breaking Character.

This is unjustified, but not completely unsympathetic since he has a legit tragic backstory that drives him. It's not excusable, but it's sympathetic. This on the other hand from Metroid: Other M is unsympathetic:

  • Adam Malkovich is supposed to be a stern but fair leader who genuinely cares about the protagonist Samus Aran and a competent commander. However, his actions on screen show him treating Samus with a mixture of condescending rudeness and cold indifference. Despite the fact that at this point she has a successful career as a bounty hunter and as a mercenary for the Federation who destroyed the entire base of the pirates, he still doesn't consider her as his equal and allows her to join his crew on the Bottle Ship only if she strictly follows his orders. Which leads to the infamous Authorization System. Samus cannot use any of her equipment, even her defensive gear, until Adam says she can. At one point of the game, Adam asks you to go to a lava-filled area without the Varia Suit (a suit that protects you from deadly heat and convection). Eventually Adam does something heroic when he saves Samus from a Metroid... by shooting her in the back! For those reasons, many players were apathetic during his death scene and horrified by the implications of him coming back as a computer in Metroid Fusion.

While he does have something of a tragic backstory, it is glossed over and he clearly isn't suffering. Then there are the entries that are just plain complainy, like this from Neon Genesis Evangelion:

The entry admits that he's sympathetic but derides him anyway. Another thing that I've noticed is that a few entries like the ones listed above note the character to be a Base-Breaking Character. So obviously there would be parts of the fandom not finding them unsympathetic.

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#2: Jul 2nd 2017 at 7:49:44 AM

Spoke with the rest of the staff. As the opening post doesn't pinpoint a specific problem, this thread will be declined.

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