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She was pretty much the main protagonist of that movie, so I feel like she has to have something. That being said, I'm not willing to watch Bio-Broly to find out what.
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She doesn't really do a lot of ki attacks and such in that movie as much as she punches and kicks things a lot.
Goten and Trunks are the ones who do the bulk of the cool ki attacks in that film.
Overall, though, I think it makes more sense to work with other characters if we're trying to build a solo character moveset - imo 18's moveset is fine in a vacuum, and it's mostly the trend with other characters that makes the whole "half the women in the game are assist characters" bit a problem. Both TOP 18 and original 18 are fairly teamwork oriented characters.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 20th 2021 at 10:19:09 AM
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Would you guys have Toppo be in his regular form or in God of Destruction mode?
If i had to guess, he would probably be in the latter even if it never happened in the manga for example, but the Super Manga has been mostly ignored in this game.
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I'd prefer him in base with God as a permanent transformation, simply because he has two different personalities. You could have people main base "justice" Top and deliberately avoid ever using his transformation out of principle.
I don't think it would be hard to just change his model to be buffer without altering any of his hitboxes or hurtboxes. The main problem is that they don't do transformations in this game.
Also, base form has a bunch of cool command grabs, and God form has cool mechanics, so it'd be best to combine them.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 20th 2021 at 3:07:20 AM
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I'm pretty sure Goten & Trunks were the protagonists that time around.
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Alright, I'm done with at least the outline of splitting Android 18 into TOP 18 and Future 18.
Intro: She walks up with her hands in her shirt pockets.
6H: A variation on 5H that has 18 dash past the opponent before kicking them from behind.
5S: 18 shoots a small beam forward. Can be canceled into itself.
236L/M/H (Air OK): 18 dashes forward and does a super-strong swinging side kick that launches the opponent back.
236S: Destructo Disk. Should have an aerial variation.
214L/M/H: Back Grapple. At least one version should be an anti-air grab that whiffs on crouching opponents.
j.214L/M/H: A divekick. After hitting, she jumps off the opponent.
214S: A physical counter. If the opponent hits her, she crouches and then stands up, holding them above her head. She then throws them forward, tumbling them end-over-end.
236L+M or 236H+S Level 1: The punch she used on Giant Ribrianne. Switches sides.
j.236L+M or j.236H+S Level 1: She shoots a large pink beam angled downward at the ground, causing an explosion.
214L+M or 214H+S (Air OK) Level 3: Photon Rain. 18 flies around the opponent while shooting a barrage of 30 purple ki blasts at them from all sides, each blast slightly larger than the one before, until she finishes with a huge ki ball that creates a large explosion. Does 4,318 damage raw, 1,718 scaled.
- If she's on a team with Krillin, they throw a pink ki ball back and forth, getting larger with each pass until 18 hits the opponent with it and it creates a large explosion.
- If she's on a team with 17, they blast the opponent from either side with endless yellow ki blasts until the energy coalesces into sparkles around the opponent and creates a large explosion.
Outro: Changed from current 18.
Change all of her voicelines to be evil.
Intro: They destroy the area with finger beams then turn their attention to the opponent.
5L: A slightly different standing low kick, 1 frame slower and with a little more range.
- 5LL: The palm-strike launches the opponent away.
- 5LLL: 18 and 17 both charge and headbutt the opponent together.
3H: 18 flies along the ground and does a sweeping outward chop. Low.
2S: 18 shoots a ki beam at a high angle upward. Anti-air.
j.2M: A diving down shoulder charge.
j.5S: Changed to be the same as 17's j.5S.
236L/M/H (Air OK): 18 grabs the opponent by the shirt and then charges up a ki blast in her other hand which she throws into the opponent's face from point-blank range. Command Grab.
236S (Air OK): Infinity Bullet. 18 charges up and shoots a barrage of strong pink energy blasts forward. Can be held to fire infinitely. The pink blasts have the same priority as Broly's 5S.
22S (Air OK): Swap places with Future 17, Future 18 becomes the assist.
- 3H: 17 does a sliding low kick forward. Low.
- 236L/M/H (Air OK): 17 flies forward past the opponent and backhands them, launching them backward. He sometimes teleports to behind the opponent before flying forward.
- 236S (Air OK): Barrier.
- 214S (Air OK): Support Attack. 18 uses Infinity Bullet.
- 22S: Swap places with Future 18.
236L+M or 236H+S Level 1: Photon Flash. Standing back-to-back, 17 and 18 hold their hands forward and fire a giant beam forward together. Does 2,235 damage raw, 835 scaled.
j.236L+M or j.236H+S Level 1: Energy Wave.
- Level 2: The other one joins in to use their own Energy Wave. Does 2,835 damage raw, 1,235 scaled.
214L+M or 214H+S (Air OK) Level 3: Accel Dance. No longer teams up with Krillin if he's on the same team.
Outro: 18 shoots the opponent with a finger beam over her shoulder, killing them, and she poses with 17.
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 20th 2021 at 8:32:35 AM
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Yeah the fact that this game doesn't do transformation and the closest thing the DLC has given us is DBS Broly, which only removes his armor, then i think Toppo would just be God of Destruction all the time.
Now i wonder if Moro is doable. They haven't never really tackled someone that hasn't had been part of an animated thing yet.
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I don't see why not?
If anyone is going to talk about how feasible Moro's inclusion is, it'll probably PushMediaCritic before anyone else in this thread.
Edited by agent-trunks on Mar 21st 2021 at 12:35:16 PM
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Moro is totally feasible, he's got more than enough screentime and moves to justify a moveset. The issue is out of my wheelhouse, and it's an issue of rights. The Dragon Ball Super manga has different rights than the Dragon Ball Super anime, and currently, it doesn't look like any video game company has the rights to adapt anything from the Dragon Ball Super manga (aside from Heroes, and even then it's iffy because they haven't adapted anything from the manga since the end of the Future Trunks arc).
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Apr 19th 2021 at 12:25:49 PM
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If the anime adaptation stalls, Moro seems like a good Fighterz 2 character, either for the base roster or DLC.
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I was re-reading my movesets, and thinking about all of the great reasons I came up with to make Super Buu a playable character:
- Intro: Evil Buu eating Good Buu.
- Outro: Buuhan's happy dance and middle finger.
- Level 1: Candy Beam. He turns you into a float and drinks you.
- Level 1: Dangerous Liquid Bomb. He liquefies himself and forces you to drink him.
- Level 3: Human Extinction Attack. Kills all the background characters on a stage, and if you use it a second time, he fires a lot fewer shots.
- Absorb your own teammate for a costume change and to steal one of their Supers. Imagine Super Buu using literally any other Super in the game. Buugeta's Final Flash, Buuku's Spirit Bomb, Buuhan's Father-Son Kamehameha, Buudel's Justice Rush with Great Saiyabuu, The Buunyu Force.
- Dramatic Finish with Candy Vegetto.
Need I say more?
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 21st 2021 at 6:53:19 AM
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What's the Dramatic Finish like?
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Vegetto hits Buu and Buu is knocked back, starting the Dramatic Finish. Buu uses his Candy Beam to turn Vegetto into a coffee-flavored jawbreaker and attempts to eat him. The Most Powerful Candy In The Universe proceeds to beat the shit out of Super Buu, even flying into his mouth and ripping out the back of his head. Buu turns Vegetto back to normal and Buu admits defeat, slumped in depression from getting his ass kicked by a piece of candy.
Basically, this scene:
Edited by PushoverMediaCritic on Mar 21st 2021 at 7:37:46 AM
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Never knew this but Vegito has an unused SSJ model
It's been there for a while but it surprised me it took me this long to find this out. Why make a SSJ model if this game is adamant about no alts?
The only logical explanation would be a dramatic finish, Gogeta has a SSJ model after all and he uses it in the Janemba DF.
But Super Buu isn't here so maybe they intended it for a future DLC? Still weird
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I don't think a recolor of Vegetto's hair is exactly a different character model. If that's really the case then that's one of the dumbest flex I've seen from Arc
It is a different character model in terms of how models are stored in the game. That doesn't mean they made the body from scratch or anything like that.
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Or you could just call it a color palette but what would I know? It's not like I actually know the complexity of a character model & what it takes to rig it.
"Model" in animation/game design isn't a term specifically about complexity. ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
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My guess is Vegetto was originally supposed to be Super Saiyan, but they swapped him to Blue Vegetto in the middle of development.
Either that, or Vegetto's intro was originally Goku and Vegeta fusing as Super Saiyan (thus becoming Super Saiyan Vegetto) and then powering up to Blue: the same thing they do in the finished product, but from a different from.
If so, that would mean that the SSJ Vegetto model was made to be swapped out with the Blue Vegetto model during the intro, but was replaced by the Base Vegetto model in the end.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Mar 24th 2021 at 1:11:29 AM
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I guess since the Zamasu arc was the big thing at the time? I don't see what'd be so hard about adding in the SS hair colour as an alt, not like hair uses those smear frames.
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Same for Gogeta SSJ yet that form is still relegated to a Dramatic Finish.
Also, Blue Goku and Vegeta were supposed to have their Whis training outfits but time constraints might have played a part in reusing the old models.
Edited by fasoman1996 on Mar 24th 2021 at 9:09:35 AM
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Yeha. I woulda loved to have thoes usable tho, they have the textures and probably models so it could happen. I actually like their Resurrection F outfits.
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18 has her casual outfit & the mods already shown no problem with it during gameplay
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At the very least that's an easy model swap.
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Going off the early days mods that does seem to be case.
SSJ3 Goku looks more of a different character model in comparison.
Edited by agent-trunks on Mar 29th 2021 at 12:30:05 PM
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