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Except he was. He eliminated many fighters and constantly helped and supported his teammates.

And yeah, he was the last man standing.

The Cooler film and the Cell saga weren't bad and it's very discernable as to why they have a huge following.

Regardless, people are happy to see them in the game for the most part.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 25th 2018 at 8:29:15 AM

I will say this: if the Trio De Dangers really does end up DLC at some point, I hope that means they'll finally give Majin Buu a Dramatic Finish.

Though Buu defeating Basil is very similar to the cinematography Fighter Z gave the Gohan beating Cell moment. Not that half the Dramatic Finishes aren't already basically that moment in different ways.

I don't want to say it's impossible in a general sense (few things truly are), but big characters in games like this are infamously problematic. Especially given how incredibly mobile this game is even in comparison to other games of this type: a big character would have to be very fast and very mobile in order to keep up at all (giant-size characters are often bottom tier for that reason: they're giant targets that have difficulty countering zoning and mobility), but make them that fast and they instantly become too powerful, able to zone effortlessly.

Also, at this point in the game some other characters would have to be redesigned (Hit being the first one to come to mind) so that giant characters don't die effortlessly to them, but doing that would alienate the way they're balanced against the smaller sized character. The game wasn't originally designed with giants in mind, so it's something that has to be considered.

However, if portrayed accurately, Hirudegarn and Oozarus are both too big for the screen. You would have to zoom out, which would mean the person playing the smaller character would lose precision.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 25th 2018 at 6:08:17 AM

I see, in any case Oozaru could happen as a Level 3. Maybe for Kid Goku.

And yeah, with the exception of Android 16 and Cell, large characters aren't that viable or very good.

Wonder how that affects Super Buu. Canonically, he is 8 feet tall.

It's not like it's impossible to have huge ass characters like Hirudegarn. Tatsunoko vs. Capcom already show that, it's more of a matter if they can properly balance them.

Easy solution, make him slouch.

Slouching stance? But that isn't really his iconic stance, is it?

I mostly remember him standing menacingly with his head twitched to the side. Also constantly cracking his neck. But that doesn't make sense, does Majin Buu even have bones?

Oozaru would've worked best as a cinematic level 3 super for Base Vegeta, involving the Power Ball, and then a quick trasnformation back at the end of the attack, I think. No way something as titanic as the Oozaru would fit on-screen, or feel good to control or fight.

This isn't Tatsunoko vs Capcom and the big characters weren't that well liked there anyway.

The way the create their character models is different from how character models are made in Tatsunoko vs Capcom.

Tatsunoko vs Capcom is one of the best examples of why giant characters are really, really difficult to make work. The plus size characters in that game didn't really work out, and gameplay wise they were generally regarded as crap unless you were very good at the game.

And the only reason they worked even as much as they did in the first place is because TVC is a significantly slower paced game than Fighter Z (with less visual noise, at that). Playing a match in Fighter Z and keeping track of everything in the level of zoom-out that TVC required for it's giants would be... problematic.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 26th 2018 at 12:00:56 PM

The best solution would be to shrink big characters down to size and use a scaling system similar to Skullgirls.

It would be awkward but that's part of Buu's charm anyways, at least to me anyways. It's not like it can't be done considering Broly's inclusion.

The point I'm trying to make is that Giant Character are feasible. Whether they should or not is the question which in my personal opinion would be a big no.

Slower? I'll admit that it's not fast as MVC 3 or Fighterz, but to say it's that slow I gotta disagree completely. Tatsunoko isn't that slow to begin with.

I mean, it's not like there hasn't been a character in a fast-paced 3-on-3 fighter that had a super that turned them into a controllable giant monkey.

Just sayin'.

... it took a lot of effort to not type "Just Saiyan."

Being useful =/= being the most important member. Goku, Vegeta, and Frieza did more than 17.

They specifically said the wish would go to the MVP, and the official Dragon Ball Super website changed on April Fools Day to the MVP 17 appreciation website (like, they literally used the term "MVP"). Regardless of your personal feelings on his performance, it is both canon and official that 17 was the MVP of the TOP.

If you had to add a Dramatic Finish for any existing character (be it happening to them or them performing it on another character), what DF would you add for them?

Asking this because i want to think a DF for Piccolo that isn't vs Raditz.

That would require Piccolo having defeated someone.

He beat Krillin.

A Piccolo beating Krillin Dramatic Finish would be the least dramatic Dramatic Finish possible. Like, I love that fight, but the ending is kind of anti-climactic, and while that's the point, that Krillin is satisfied with his performance and gives up while he can still move, it would not work well as a Dramatic Finish. Those kind of have to be super hype, by definition.

New trailer for the free DLC:

I didn't say it was a slow paced game. I said it was significantly slower than Fighter Z.

That's a important distinction in regards to a giant character, because giants' biggest problems is balancing defense against characters' mobility and the ability to zone themselves. The faster paced a game is, the more difficult it is to balance that sort of thing: a giant has to be faster to deal with all the opponents' agility options, but the faster they get in general the more danger their moves are in of being too difficult to get through.

@Piccolo

The panel where Piccolo beats Krillin is a bit incorporated into Krillin's intro, come to think of it.

I'd like Piccolo to have a Dramatic something, and it doesn't have to be a Dramatic Finish where he wins. I was, for example, really rooting for a brief Dramatic Opening between him and Base Goku mimicking their first meeting. Or a Dramatic Finish where Goku beats him with the kamehameheadbutt, or uses the really cool combo the Tenkaichi games call the Meteor Combination to defeat him (both at the World Tournament stage).

If Radits ever shows up, they could give Piccolo a Dramatic Finish (if Base Goku is on his team) where Goku grabs Raditz, and Piccolo kills them both.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 26th 2018 at 4:55:18 AM

D'oh! Didn't realize I was double posting.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Sep 26th 2018 at 4:54:26 AM

There is also the chance Piccolo gets a Dramatic Finish versus 17 with Hellzone grenade. We might find out when he is out

There's also his Light Grenade against Cell.

Could work for either actually.

Neither of those worked.

I meant as a Dramatic Finisher for either.

Cell can tank it & then break his neck or it could actually work on him.

And Vegito never actually kill Zamasu but the cinematic happens here.

Also, i don't remember Bardock going Super Saiyan and defeating Frieza or Nappa getting Yamchad by Yamcha. They can take a few liberties

I really hope they do more Redemption Dramatic Finishers.

Exactly.

Edited by Cortez on Sep 26th 2018 at 10:32:37 AM