Marvel's Spider-Man

Considering how these shows are being written it would still be the same, adult or teenager.

Since Marvel Animation is getting the shaft from television, presumably because of the Disney Streaming Service, what do you guys think will be on that service? Definitely a new Spider-Man cartoon because money.

Adult Spiderman giving advice to teen Superheroes as he fights crime is great. Advice about suits, sweating, etc.

Honestly, I want a Renew Your Vows or Spider-Girl to show up. And by Spider-Girl, I don't mean that Straw Feminist and waste of Olivia Holt they used in USM.

Yeah. I'm pretty disappointed by this as well.

Ms. Marvel treating Peter like a dumb Noob should not be their dynamic.

Edit: Also, how come Peter's Spider-Sense didn't warn him about her attack.

It was the same thing with Black Widow in Spider Island part 2: he should have been prepared for the Grenade, but he didn't see it coming.

And last week, he wasn't warned about those Vulture Fanboys getting the drop on him (though to be fair, they weren't threatening him yet at that point).

What the hell Pete?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Jul 6th 2018 at 7:28:58 AM

Spider sense seems to be the hardest Spider-Man power to write

It really shouldn't be.

During Spectacular's version of the Symbiote saga (the second part where he fought the Sinister 6), he got tagged by Shocker because he was facing off against Rhino and Sandman when it went off and didn't realize why until he got nailed. He even lampshaded the fact that his Spider-Sense doesn't usually go off when the danger is right in front of him.

There's been times where there's so much danger around that he can't fully discern where it's coming from, or he's failed to properly interpret what the danger is (when it was warning him that time in the comics that the Chameleon was impersonating J. Jonah Jameson, and he couldn't figure out why.

A simple way is to just have it going off, but he's too slow to realize why, or misreads what the danger is. Or it doesn't go off because the person isn't someone dangerous. This happened a few times with Aunt May, and it's the reason he doesn't catch Ned in Spiderman Homecoming until it's too later.

They just gotta do their research.

Spider-Man's Spider Sense has never been perfect against things that are narratively significant. Ever. Not even in the comics. This includes minor attacks and quick moments that need to hurt or threaten him so that the plot can continue as intended, as you see here, which is why you'll find Spidey gets sucker punched or caught in bad situations a lot regardless of medium.

At best, writers sometimes get around the need to have the power fail by having it such that the Spider Sense only goes off when it's too late to do anything about it, which still isn't how it's stated to work, but which allows them to show off the power and still have Peter take the hit so the bad guy can get away or the plot can thicken and so on. And even then, sometimes the writers - even in the days of Lee and Ditko - just don't bother all the time.

When the show has Peter get his by something he could have sensed for the sake of the plot, they're not missing anything or failing to do any research. They're being characteristic of how the power has been written since it's creation - as a plot device first, and a constant second.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jul 6th 2018 at 9:55:45 AM

When does the next episode air? I never know when to watch this anymore?

I'm usually fine with changes in adaptations for the most part as long a they don't derail the characters, but.... yeah, there's just something wrong with Khamala being made a more experienced Avenger than Spidey. That just doesn't compute for me. Makes it feel like they're reducing her to just another Avenger mentor for Spidey. They do realize Spider-Man is allowed to have heroes less experienced than she is, right?

Generally Mondays, on Disney XD, around maybe... 6 PM, I think.

Ah. That explains it. I guess I'll have to catch it tomorrow.

I'll be watching wrestling, and even if I didn't someone else who controls the T.V. will.

So saw the actual episode. I got... mixed feelings about it. One the one hand, the fact Miss Marvel still gets portrayed as the most experienced of the two and Spidey as the fan still bothers me. On the other hand, I do feel the episode improves later on when the two develop a genuine complicity, and the ending was nice. I still find it kinda silly, though, that minions with All Your Powers Combined from Captain Marvel, Captain America and the friggin' Hulk could get defeated as easily as they were.

My problem with the Avengers crossovers is that they just don't really gel well for the most part, because it never feels like they actually contribute to anything.

Stark Expo is the only one that really had an effect on the plot (Max realizing he was being too much of a Glory Hound, being something of a resolution of the "Peter wears the V-252" arc), but even then it felt inconsequential due to the ridiculously seeming ease of its escape while the Avengers were in space in a later episode.

They also kind of suffer from having to frequently bullshit how Peter, an inexperienced superhero, is able to work on par with the Avengers, and given the series' (very slightly, given that one of the recurring villains is an alien) grounded feel, just ends up making them feel out of place, especially when they're in focus.

True. And as mentioned before, they feel like they are trying to still fit with the continuity of the old Avengers Assemble Cartoon even though it makes absolutely no friggin' sense at all.

Having fully finished the episode, it was... Okay. Kamala does feel a little more in place than the other Avengers, but I think the plot escalates a bit too quickly (how did AIM get their hands on Captain America, Captain Marvel, and The Hulk? I could believe the first two, but not The Hulk. And what does Captain America add to the already impressive powers?)

That being said, I wouldn't have minded if AIM were more recurring villains in this series, provided they were more tied to the plot, given the entire thing of this show is science.

This is also more of a nitpick, but they should really have done more with Kamala's powers. She can do more than just change the size of her hands, she can also sizeshift, shapeshift... Just saying, they should get more creative with her powers. They really aren't that overpowered, especially in this instance where she has to fight Hulked out students with Captain Marvel powers.

Watched it. It definitely got better once Kamala got past the annoyance of losing her solo mission.

Thought the same thing; I somewhat gave a pass at Hulk and the two Cap being captured, since it happened offscreen with no indication of how or how long they have been imprisoned, so we're at least free to assume it was really difficult (unless that clip at the beginning of the episode was in direct, in which case... wow, that's embarassing). And yeah... a shame that Miss Marvel has one of my favourite super-powers due to how creative you can get with it, and they reduce it to just streching and growing big in the show.

Agreed. Once they start having Peter and Khamala actually get some complicity, the dynamic becomes much more enjoyable, even if it's a bit rushed.

The Kamala shilling like the Gwen shilling needs to slow down otherwise people will lose patience with her.

By the way, I realized a small problem with the episode. Just a nitpick, really, but it does bother me a bit. Miss Marvel is a shapeshifter. She is sent to infiltrate a school.... and she chose to go in her civilian identity.

Why didn't she just shapeshift into someone else to infiltrate the school? I mean, I read the comic, I am pretty sure she can, that was in fact one of the first applications of her power she found out!

I mean... wow. Shapeshifter is maybe the best power for infiltration aside from invisibility, and the writers somehow didn't think about having her use it that way in an infiltration mission? That kinda bugs me...

It seems that cartoon people either don't know about or don't want to acknowledge all the powers Khamala has.

Come to think of it, I don't think they remembered she could do that when she appeared in Avengers Assemble. I guess they think it's easier just being simplify her down to a more simple Mr. Fantastic moveset.

Two television appearances over the course of two years counts as "shilling?"

In regards to the comics, she's a Breakout Character. Not a shill.

This wasn't as bad as the previews made it seem to be. Ms. Marvel being a relative pro compared to Spider-Man still feels off, but at least she wasn't rude and condescending towards him through the entire episode. They even got a surprising amount of ship teasing, especially considering this show doesn't really do romance.

I do wish they stopped dropping Spidey's IQ every time he's on an Avenger team-up. The only team-up that actually kept him in-character was the Hulk episode.

Yeah, in regards to Spidey's personality and temperament this felt like a Season 1 episode.

I kind of think the series would have been better if it were in a universe where the Avengers hadn't formed yet or just didn't exist as a team.

It wouldn't stop the geeky references to other superheroes from feeling awkward (granted, most of it is coming from Peter...), but it kind of feels like it would have suited the series better, especially since the series' plot hasn't reached a near apocalyptic scale that the Avengers tend to warrant.

Well, okay, Spider-Island came close, but still didn't leave New York.