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TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
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#1: Apr 1st 2016 at 8:38:57 AM

There's been some discussion in ATT as to how to properly apply Took a Level in Badass. As it is, the trope is commonly being applied to two separate scenarios:

  1. In episode 1 of the Bob and Alice Show, Bob is introduced as a nerdy weakling while Alice is a capable warrior. Bob spends two seasons being protected by Alice before a traumatic event makes him realize he doesn't want to be a Damsel in Distress anymore. He undergoes Training from Hell in season 3 and returns at a critical moment. The evil George has Alice beaten down, but Bob shows up out of nowhere and attacks him with more power and courage than he's ever shown before. Together, Bob and Alice defeat George. Bob is never depicted as a damsel again.
  2. In episode 1 of the Bob and Alice Show, Bob and Alice are shown as a kickass pair of Back-to-Back Badasses who hunt monsters. For two seasons, they destroy any foe in their way. Then, one day, the evil George defeats Bob. Bob undergoes Training from Hell, increases his physical strength, and then defeats George.

While it's very common for the trope to be applied to Scenario #2. The writeup for the trope only talks about Scenario #1 with choice descriptions like

One character in particular is making a very good showing, doing at least as much as the main character to save the day. But who is this mysterious person in the Badass Longcoat? Did you miss the episode where he was introduced? Why the nagging feeling of familiarity? And then it hits — you know this kid. It's just that last time you saw this person, he was a nebbishy wisecracker with the constitution of a glass-jawed squirrel. What happened to transform him so completely?

The reference comes from roleplaying, where it's sometimes possible to "take a level" in a completely different class. For instance: a level ten Fighter could take a level in Wizard, therefore being both a level ten Fighter and a level one Wizard. The joke is presumably that if Bad Ass was a class and you could take a level in it, you would thereby become Bad Ass where you weren't before.

It does mention Scenario #2 in passing with

Blending this with modern gaming, however, one can achieve what is known as "badass grinding", where one takes multiple levels in badass.

but it potholes that part to Serial Escalation. The point of contention here is whether a Badass who becomes more powerful is actually becoming more Badass or simply gaining the ability to apply their existing Badass to a wider range of foes. Powerful action guys becoming more powerful and more actiony is already covered under Serial Escalation.

In essence, the trope as written is about the shift in a character from "not a Badass" to Badass. A character who is already a Badass can't become a Double Badass or a Triple Badass. They're still a Badass.

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#2: May 18th 2016 at 8:48:52 AM

Shouldn't this go in the Badass tropes cleanup thread in long-term projects?

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#3: Jun 9th 2016 at 2:29:25 PM

Except I feel like the discussion here is more on the "Took a level in" rather than the "Badass" part.

The question is "can a character that has gradually become more badass count as taking a level in it?" which can also be applied to all the other "took a level in" tropes.

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#4: Jun 9th 2016 at 8:57:21 PM

You can take a level in something even if you already have levels in it. The O Ps scenarios are really a distinction without a difference. Yes, they highlighted the extremes, but most characters are somewhere in the middle of the two. Any split is just going to end in pendantic quibbling about if a character started as a badass or not. It's not going to be clear cut in the majority of cases.

Based on the poor OP which only cites hypotheticals and the fact that this wasn't officially opened, it just fell through the bug cracks when we updated the forums, I'm locking this.

edited 9th Jun '16 9:02:46 PM by shimaspawn

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