Diversity and Representation in Media

Aren't there still cop shows/police procedurals? My mom is watching this one about buddy cop comedy but the buddy is a dog.

Philippines, and believe me it's... chaotic here.

No kidding. One of the worst cultures of pro-white skin colorism on Earth (not just Asia) and where Gay = Transgender is in effect combined w/ the same kind of toxic machismo found in Latin America. Not to mention how Pinoys here stereotype South Asians and everyone who looks like they came from India or the Middle East as being stinky as hell. Most Pilipinos also tend to be hypocritical when it comes to international representation. Most of my fellow countrymen sneer at and mock American productions for making space for nonwhite people in their shows but the instant someone w/ even the slightest hint of Filipino ancestry (like Hailee Steinfeld for example) becomes famous then those same Filipinos who complain against diversity will start shouting "PINOY PRIDE!"

Another example is how many audience members learned of the Tulsa race massacre thanks to the HBO Watchmen miniseries.

Yes. They even revived the original CSI and Law & Order.

That wouldn't be Hudson and Rex would it? I've seen a few ads for it but never got a chance to watch it myself.

Edited by windleopard on Mar 29th 2024 at 8:05:52 PM

In Latin America the word woke is practically unheard of but the equivalent term 'progre' pretty much stands for the exact same thing.

I've seen fellow countrymen mock those Filipinos as "pee-noise" (ya know, pinoy and pee and noise lol) and even use the country being ranked high in negative connotations as "Philippines Numbah One!"

But otherwise, woke is more seen here as cloutchasing people than its actual meaning.

Don't get me started on Boomerang Bigot Pinoys who hate diversity and representation in media (especially LGBT, female and black representation) bec it reminds them of the Pinoys who keep shouting Pinoy Pride. And those Pinoys often share the same tastes and sociopolitical beliefs as MAGA republicans.

Ultimately, 1 of the biggest issues why mainland Pilipinos aren't as sympathetic to representation in media as minorities in the US is bec Pilipinos in general have never experienced racism and discrimination in the same level as minorities have in the US since World War 2. Not sure if it's the same in countries outside of the US but it is a form of majority privilege Pinoys have enjoyed. And even then, we just find other ways to discriminate, like LGBT-phobia (w/c unlike colorism was definitely imported by Spanish colonialists bec pre-colonial Philippines had shamans called babaylan who are either women or feminized men/bakla) and skin color.

Edited by KRider on Mar 29th 2024 at 7:55:14 AM

I wouldn't say that. I'd argue the country is the best in SEA when it comes to LGBT tolerance. But it's a bit on the chaotic side. There's both a big acceptance and bigotry if that makes sense. Many LGBT, though most gays, being absolutely successful while being open, but at the same time if you don't "fall in line" you'd met with hate. I wouldn't say they didn't experience that, far from it, especially when they are being discriminated in their own country.

And then there's the diaspora thing where there is a distinct gap. There's that feeling mainland Filipino-ism being used as "culture clothing" by diaspora while having little to no connection to the main culture. It's why the whole "filipinx" got backlash especially since Filipino/Tagalog is very known for being gender neutral especially with pronouns. A mainlander would probably hate a MAGA but not a diaspora which, anecodotal, but I heard many Filipino-Americans being conservatives.

Edited by Ookamikun on Mar 30th 2024 at 4:48:59 PM

The Trump supporting legal group America First is firing on Disney for their DEI efforts ahead of the proxy vote tomorrow. Source is Hollywood Reporter.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/business/business-news/disney-diversity-initiatives-proxy-fight-1235864261/

Bumping with news - Peltz has been defeated in the proxy war. With any luck, that will be the end of it.

Which is for the best, because if he was on the board, we wouldn’t get anything like Owl House or Black Panther.

... okay, barely on-topic but holy shit Peltz is a piece of shit. Aside from being a strong Trump supporter (though he pretended to back off after the January 6 riots), it's genuinely telling that the longest single item in his "Wealth and Philanthropy" section on Wikipedia is "In 2005, Peltz was among 53 entities that contributed the maximum of $250,000 to the second inauguration of President George W. Bush."

Also his children are talentless nepo-babies that 100% would have been directing Disney's movies if he got any more power.

We were talking about him earlier and his comments on Black Panther. I thought that would be pretty on topic. At least one Twitter rumor I saw about him did not look good for LGBTQ rep across Disney owned studios.

theres no reason to bring his kids into it. Subjective opinions on their acting aside, they didnt choose to have a billionaire scumbag as a parent.

Vox recently put out an article on Oppemheimer and specifically its reception in japan. The article pointed out its mixed reception there and mentions that some of them felt that the film lionized the man who built the A-bomb and therefore inevitably led to the nuclear destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki in WW 2 while ignoring the suffering of the victims there and glossing over their viewpoints.

The article also mentioned that other underprivileged demographics (Hispanics and Natives in New Mexico) were also affected. Their opinions were also ignored according to the article. It is a topic of erasure and Hollywood's power as a tool for it.

Um. Yeah. Not taking that troll-bait.

Anyway, this is just the same conversation we've been having since this summer. Oppenheimer's story isn't one of the Japanese people or the direct effects of the two bombs dropped on them. Whether or not you think it's the responsibility of the film to be about that is the matter to be up for debate. The same has been said about The Zone of Interest which was about Germany during the Holocaust, but not about the victims of the Holocaust itself.

Personally, I don't have issue with Oppenheimer's lack of addressing the victims of his bombs. Not only would it drastically change the movie, but it's not like Oppie was really, you know, lionized. The guy kinda sucked.

Edited by Larkmarn on Apr 3rd 2024 at 5:40:42 AM

(uselessly replied to troll)

Edited by gropcbf on Apr 3rd 2024 at 11:36:35 AM

The door was opened when the conversation shifted from diversity and representation of races and ethnicities to that of opinions and positions. If people demand their opinions be included by appealing to diversity, then we have to have the full spread.

It's actually one of the problems when dealing with either old media, or new media set in old times: people went out of their way to NOT be inclusive of all sorts of things. There was a conspiracy not to ever show FDR as being in a wheelchair or physically handicapped in the media, for example. No one would print or show anything relating to it. I can't even imagine that being possible in today's world.

I also think some complaints get gratuitous. Any film needs a focus, and if the film's focus is a specific person or place then focusing on everything around it will make a mess. It's why movies focused on a Jewish Holocaust survivor don't delve into Japanese internment or the Rape of Nanjing. Also tends to be why I focus more on trends in media than a specific piece when it comes to who is represented or not, like how most Holocaust movies seem to avoid mentioning the Romani.

"like how most Holocaust movies seem to avoid mentioning the Romani."

Or almost any of the other groups the Nazis targeted for extermination in the camps. A total of between ten and eleven million people died in the Holocaust; six million were Jews. The other four-to-five million were homosexuals, Romani, smatterings of other Eastern European groups, political opponents...

Yet there are still people who claim, with all seriousness, that six million died in the Holocaust.

Not that it isn't extremely stupid and anti-Semitic anyway, but you've made me realise another layer of stupidity with Holocaust Denial. Since gay people, communists, romanis and other groups were also included in the Holocaust, do deniers just think they are part of the conspiracy? Do they think that the Jews included them to help hide the deception? The obvious answer is just that they didn't know or refuse to know and, of course, they're incredibly stupid.

It would be nice if more films about the Holocaust included the other groups affected, though I think it's less of a case that less films should have been made focusing on the suffering on the Jews, and instead that, along with those films, some that at least included references to the other groups affected would have been nice. A film about the first Nazi genocide (T4) would also be welcome, but once again, in addition to instead of replacing films about the Holocaust.

Edited by king15 on Apr 3rd 2024 at 12:05:15 PM

In all seriousness, I think society wasn't ready to address the deaths of gays in the Holocaust. There have been comics that touched on the subject — notably V for Vendetta had a fictionalized Holocaust where the individuals we're shown as victims were lesbians — but I think the topic was taboo for ages. (And frankly, for quite some time I think a common response would have been that the gays "had it coming".)

It would be interesting to see modern media specifically addressing it, but I'm not planning on holding my breath.

I do remember a Mel Brooks movie of all things was the first to address gay people being a target of the Nazis. To Be or Not to Be.

Edited by BigBadShadow25 on Apr 3rd 2024 at 8:26:06 AM