I don't see the need to list that, at all.
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Clair's Kingdra is definitely an issue. There's nothing consistent you can do about it without large amounts of Level Grinding because it's neutral to Ice and has decent bulk to eat up attacks. You can't even cheese past her with Ho-Oh because it's weak to Water (Lugia might work).
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x2 That's definitely unnecessary.
edited 28th Dec '15 12:39:28 PM by Karxrida
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Clair's Kingdra is fairly strong. In HG/SS at least all of its moves (barring Smokescreen) are over 100 BP, including STAB for Dragon Pulse. I wouldn't say she's stupidly hard though; Kingdra's stats are kind of average even with its defensive typing and high-power moves taken into account, and the rest of her team isn't that bad (although the Dragonair can be annoying with their Thunder Wave).
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Clair's Kingdra is difficult, but the rest of her team isn't too easy to write off due to it being 3 Dragonairs.
edited 28th Dec '15 12:52:45 PM by VeryMelon
There's still some Challenge Mode references in the Gen V section, which should probably be removed since that's an optional mode with an obtuse method of activating.
Speaking of Gen V, is Clay's Excadrill really that strong? Excadrill is a bit on the slower side and it's rather frail too.
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It's not. And he has no way of boosting its slow speed.
I took care of the last Challenge Mode mentions. Should Clay be cut?
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Excadrill's not super frail (having Base 110 HP goes a long way), but don't remember it giving me any trouble, either.
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Thanks Septimus. I never had any trouble with Clay's Excadrill either. I don't generally think he's hard enough to stay when I think about it.
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i don't remember clay giving me troubles either so i wouldn't mind cutting him unless someone can present a compelling case otherwise.
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edited 28th Dec '15 2:13:36 PM by Karxrida
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I haven't played most of Gen V and below recently, so I can't say much about that, but i remember the entirety of Diamond and Pearl being easy. The only bosses I had a problem with were Aaron and Cynthia and that's because my "Dark-type" was Luxray and I was underleveled. if we're basing this on one person's experience alone, then we would have to cut the entirety of Gen IV.
I'd recommend nixing the page entirely and just listing a few of the most commonly said to be difficult on the page for roleplaying games.
Clay's gone now.
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x2 The most infamous are Whitney and I think BW Lenora. Many of these just seem like overreactions.
edited 28th Dec '15 2:16:34 PM by Karxrida
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There's also the Pokemon Stadium page we have to deal with. I didn't realize all the examples from then were made into their own page until now.
Bringing yet more Gen II bosses to the discussion table, what about HG/SS Morty and Chuck? The former's Gengar got nerfed pretty hard by the loss of Dream Eater, which made Hypnosis and Mean Look much less of a problem, and Normal types are immune to its most powerful move (they can't hit Gengar with their STABs, but at least some of them can use Dark type moves).
Chuck I can see being hard since Primeape is pretty fast and has Double Team, but beyond that it and Poliwrath don't have the best bulk, an exploitable weakness in Flying, and Focus Punch fails if the user takes a hit. He doesn't seem overly difficult to me.
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I think Morty from the remakes can be cut on that basis, but did you include Chuck's remake team or Chuck in general?
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gen ii chuck isn't hard from what i remember.
edited 28th Dec '15 2:24:09 PM by wehrmacht
Gen 2 Chuck wasn't hard to me either.
I was talking about Gen IV Chuck since Gen II Chuck doesn't seem to be mentioned on the page.
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Then I'm fine with cutting Gen 4 Chuck as well.
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Gen IV Morty is probably worse than Gen II because Gengar is actually able to kill you with Shadow Ball now (it's stronger than Dream Eater after STAB and now works off Special Attack). Don't know if he qualifies because I never had trouble with him (always solo'd with Quilava), but saying he's easier isn't true.
Chuck was more annoying than hard.
edited 28th Dec '15 2:31:18 PM by Karxrida
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So, just cut Chunk then?
Also, for Bugsy's HGSS, there should be something saying that trying to use Gastly on it is hard to do because of Pursuit.