Miraculous Ladybug

Yerp.

A lot of series forget that the timestream shouldn't change unless someone changes something. Bunnyx' future shouldn't just randomly be at danger of non-existing. But again, it's another thing that's mainly an issue because they draw attention to it. Bunnyx has a bit where she goes "what the hell? That's not what I remember happening!" with zero explanation.

It being young Bunnyx wouldn't entirely fix the problem, but it would keep the plot from putting it front and center.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 14th 2019 at 7:14:31 AM

One thing that I found unintentionally funny was when Hawk Moth punched Cat Noir all the way from home to Eiffel Towel. And he wasn't even hurt! Wow, why aren't people punching each other more often in this show, apparently everybody is sturdy as a brick.

Ladybug has definitely been shown to be ludicrously strong every once in a while, but it never seems to come up.

Anyway, saw Felix. It was okay. Lot of different things all trying to happen at once, not a lot of focus on any one of those things. I was kind of meh on Felix himself: he's just a male Lila, directed specifically at Adrien rather than Marinette.

So Felix is gag about pilot Adrien right?

Miracle Queen's dub has been out a week or so making all the S3 episodes available in English.

It's nice seeing all the characters of the week.

Seeing Chloe's parents reminds me while it only sort of excuses her actions, man does it totally explain how she ended up as messed up as she is.

Oh right Macarons are still a thing. Those sort of vanished didn't they? They could at least use one other than the water version.

Adrian killing my OT3 there.

Nice Kagami, protect your almost bf.

That's a super cleaver use of Chloe's powers.

You know, Gabe really should pay more attention to Adrian's class/friends. Would make CN/LB really obvious.

Kwami Unison's are just so cool.

Viperion's really a 0 or 100% Kwami, huh?

Wow, Max is hardcore. Dropping someone into a sun is certainly a finisher.

Oh right, Marinette didn't Lucky Charm. Has she purified before the Charm before?

So the box is magically bound to the Guardian then?

Not going to lie. I hate that plot point about memory loss. I find plot points like that to be generally terrible.

Chloe was a total brat this episode. But I actually feel really bad for her in the end of this episode. Like, she absolutely does not deserve a Miraculous, but she also doesn't deserve her parents.

Oh hey, and couples being cute in the ending. And Max and Alix for some reason.

Kinda feel bad for Luka though. Marinette really probably needs a bit of time to process first.

They also use ice macaroons...and that's about it.

Alix and Max sat together because they have no one else. Notice that Kim is strategically missing because his love interest still doesn't have clothes outside of swimsuit. I like to think that that Alix and Max were sitting as Single Solidarity Society and they were waiting for Marinette to sit next to them only to get disappointed.

That and Kim and Max are best friends but he's lately spending more time with Ondine, and Alix and Nathaniel are besties but he's with Marc. Plus they're both the most rational and reasonable of the class so it kinda makes sense that they're sitting together, maybe they're just close friends.

Or it could be a case of Pair the Spares, cause the show doesn't handle romance well IMO.

They've handle Luka x Marinette and Adrien x Kagami pretty well. Even Maylene and Ivan.

Luka feels like he's barely a character outside of him supporting Marinette (and Juleka). Adrian X Kagami would be fine in isolation, but gets dragged down due to being a piece of the Love Whatever that's going on. The last two are minor characters so I don't really care or feel invested in their relationship., then again I don't care about Alya X Nino so that might be on me.

Also, how are we supposed to view Gabriel's relationship with Natalie? To me it comes off as unhealthy, but feel like we're supposed to take Gabriel's concern and (what appears to be) affection at face value. Astruc's comments about Felix made me think he wouldn't play with this.

Edited by Cross on Nov 30th 2019 at 1:16:32 PM

Luka’s a Nice Guy who’s passionate about music, tries to solve conflicts peacefully and doesn’t like mistreatment in people’s personal lives or in the music industry, and he can be pretty creative when it counts. He’s got more personality than most characters in generic kids shows.

You can seperate and judge a relationship that happens to be connected to other relationships. If there’s a main character with four best friends, you can like his interactions with half of them, not like them with the others, all without saying, that “all the main character’s relationships with his best friends are terrible”,

Natalie is devoted to him and he sees her as a loyal asset. Its his love for his wife that motivates him, again, he doesn’t have to fix the Peacock Miraculous for her, but he didn’t anyways. Their relationship is a one sided crush vs a boss thats aware and caring of how hypercompetent his employee is, but is too emotionally messed up to fully care about anyone except Emilie.

Pretty certain most of that is stock for generic children shows.

The reason I'm not separating it is because the main relationship still has a role in it. Like I stated, to me it's fine in isolation and if Marinette/Ladybug doesn't have influence (or at least minimal) it would continue to be so.

Not what I was asking.

Yeah, Alix / Max is almost certainly just Pair the Spares.

In fact, I’d go farther to suppose that the reason was visual, given how that scene seemed to be made for the shot.

Essentially “we need one more couple for this shot to work, otherwise we’ll have an empty space, but we have no more teen couples. Who can we quickly match together who wouldn’t look jarring” - followed by them realizing Alix and Max we’re both short and had similar body shapes, and so would fit well without any set up.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 30th 2019 at 12:37:50 PM

I just finished the latest episodes, and wow was Cat Blanc a doozy of an episode. But it does seem weird that 'If we know each other's identities we'll have to give up our miraculous!' because that's not the impression I got in seasons 1 and 2. And the real issue was Hawkmoth finding out Chat Noir's secret ID in a way that felt disconnected from the original issue.

I wonder if Marinette is going to have her hair down more often in future episodes.

I like Kagami and Luka. They're characters in their own right. It helps that they're not awful to their competition.

Them knowing each other's secrets just causes a bunch of risk. Cause if one is Akumatized then the other one is found out as well.

Assuming Hawkmoth doesn't act like a dum-dum just akumatizing one of them is going cause problems, it might even be game over if it was Ladybug. The identity issue seems like a lesser problem.

Cat Blanc showed that CN could purify akuma if he needed to. With extra heroes, he could, in theory, pull a win. Literally the only shown downside was that butterfly died (and of course, he would need to recharge before doing it again)

I am also assuming the destruction is not reversed if he does it.

While the ideal is that neither of them are ever akumatized if it does happen if they don't know each other identity then at least the other won't be exposed as well. As long as Hawkmoth does not win the Miraculous can be given to someone else.

Calling other heroes would depend on if Noir has access to the Miracle Box. Also, the hypotheticals that comes to mind either means Marinette hands over the earrings immediately after turning (She nearly did so in Ladybug) or Noir has to destroy one to get the akuma.

Not knowing wouldn't be a great position either. If Adrian or Marinette get turned it leaves the other without awareness not to count on the other. Ladybug can stand ground depending on the situation, but Noir would probably be in trouble.

Eh, when akumatized Chat Blanc didn't reveal Ladybug's ID. Though that was a unique situation.

My issue is that the narrative felt like it was saying Marinette using her Ladybug powers like that (which I agree was dumb) and Adrian finding out her secret ID caused the Bad Future, when in fact it was Adrian not being careful about his own secret ID. Though if anything him knowing Ladybug's ID was a good thing because it meant he knew how bad it would be if she was akumatized.

AU Natalie really should've told AU Gabriel to stop before he hurt AU Adrien back then. Like damn this put Gabriel.

Maybe she thought he wouldn't? And sure they fought, but Gabriel didn't make any moves he thought would be lethal. And given Gabriel's controlling nature akumatizing Adrien doesn't seem like something he would think as 'hurting'

Though honestly, Gabriel's been a bit mixed about putting Adrien in danger. Maybe he thinks to a degree that with both Miraculous he can do anything and therefore it's not as risky? Or he doesn't want people suspicious if he goes out of his way to not let Adrien get hurt?

Gabriel is basically Sunk Cost Fallacy: The Character. I could absolutely buy him convincing himself that beating the crap out of his own son, ripping his heart apart so that he could get his hands on the Miraculous, was a necessary evil after everything he had already done.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Feb 11th 2020 at 6:38:58 AM

Since this thread likely won't be much active until November, question: what's everything you want to see happen/hoping for in season 4?

Not all of this is realistic.

I want to see Sabrina break away from Chloe in an episode, but properly this time. I want that to happen before another Chloe redemption arc.

I'd also like to see Lila either toned down to be a more nuanced character or for her lying to be revealed to have some sort of supernatural backing. I think this is unlikely.

I hope we get some more stuff on the Guardians since they're back. But I hope the writing for them isn't bad. I don't want it to be a situation where Marinette or their representative makes stupid/bad decisions.

Kagami had some great episodes last season, so I hope that continues. But I'd also like to see some more character from Luka, currently his most prominent traits are "nice" and "supportive".

Canon Julerose I lied this is least likely.