The Global Refugee Wave and Migrant Crisis

I see. That kinda falls in line with my theory that there's currently a tension between the Pope and the more conservative sides of the Curia. I also assume that most of the help being provided by the Church and its associate organizations tend to come from the lower echelons/categories.

Don't worry about not achieving a fully neutral analysis. Your skepticism is the kind of skepticism that's necessary and welcomed. Thank you for telling me all that.

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(Apologies for the slightly off-topic moment)

edited 2nd Sep '15 8:29:32 AM by Quag15

Clearly the solution is to have Mexico build walls everywhere

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

There's the right-wing major of a smallish town that has seriously proposed a project to build an electrified fence around the borders of his territory. He might already be doing it, but I'm not sure.

I quote, and I'm using Exact Words here, "We'll keep them away the same way we keep wild boars away".

Also, one of our ministers is a black woman, in charge of smoothing things over with refugees. One of the first times she appeared in public, she's been thrown bananas at. I wish I were joking.

edited 2nd Sep '15 8:36:16 AM by Cozzer

Uh oh. Things are getting ugly.

Police is present in force and started to take people away. Those with valid papers are allowed to proceed to Germany; those without are taken back to the registration camps. Those who resist are threatened by the police with deportation and being sent back to Syria.

A group of migrants broke out of the square and occupied a nearby street; riot police pushed them back out. No violence yet, but the migrant crowd is starting to become impatient. National media claims that a small group (probably the Afghans) are riling up the others.

At the same time, a thousands-strong sympathy protest started at another railway station.

"Being sent back to Syria" eh? Doesn't that break the UN convention on refugees?

Yes, it does. But anti-refugee politicians have been increasingly eager to ignore it, it seems.

Something's gonna give. I keep fearing some one is gonna start shooting into the crowd and not stop. I keep fearing that kind of behavior will be systemized. I keep fearing the refugee camps will become camps of a different kind...

Probably.

Some migrants who got to Germany or Britain are talking of awful conditions in Hungarian camps. Whether these stories are true or not, it's telling that a human rights watch group was denied entrance to one of these camps today.

Crowd calmed down since, the Syrians are currently sweeping the square and collecting garbage in complete peace. Inside the railway station building, about a hundred policemen with riot helmets are standing by. Some of the policemen are wearing Slovakian uniforms - probably here to help check the trains bound for Slovakia.

Jobbik sympathizers, including the party's president, marched to Röszke at Hungary's southern border to lock down the border, but the police beat them to the punch and carried out the lockdown themselves. A group of migrants have been spotted gathering on the other side before Serbian police turned them back. Jobbik's people left a while ago.

Orbán spoke in an interview by German conservative paper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung:

The sympathy protest has also ended, although not before enough people gathered to completely fill the parliament building's square. One group held up a sign stating "We were migrants too...", referring to this. The group who organized this protest stated that they will continue for as long as the govt keeps their anti-migrant law proposals on the daily agenda; these proposals include permission to deploy the military along the border, as well as providing the police with an automatic search warrant if a household has migrants living inside.

I found a video of a Syrian boy telling the police in broken English "You just stop the war and we won't want go to Europe."

Far-right provocateurs have arrived to the railway station in shirts captioned with "the homeland is not for sale". One has reportedly used a Nazi arm salute to greet the others. A TV reporter barely managed to say into the camera that migrants whose permits have expired are being shipped back to camp, as the rightards tried to interrupt the broadcast with their yelling.

The govt is asking Germany for help.

edited 2nd Sep '15 11:56:09 AM by amitakartok

Authorities informed the crowd that they will be taken by train to the registration camps between 4 AM and 6 AM. The crowd accepted this and calmed down.

Crisis averted for now.

Why did I read that as concentration camps?

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

Because that's the image we get when we hear about people being put into camps.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

That's not what I think about band camps.

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

Then obviously you need to learn more about what goes on at them.

edited 2nd Sep '15 3:15:19 PM by Silasw

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Awkward sex in practice rooms?

I checked out some Hungarian far right blogs just for interest – seems like the Hungarian right is playing up the image of the country being the historic defender of Europe against Islam.

Which is not entirely without historical basis.

edited 2nd Sep '15 3:42:18 PM by amitakartok

Except there is nothing to "defend", they aren't trying to invade.

Migrant crisis: Why Syrians do not flee to Gulf states You would think allowing Syrians in would be beneficial for the Gulf states. At the very least it would help balance out the South Asian migrants with a group that is far more likely to be loyal to the Sunni Arab Theocratic Monarchies that govern most of these countries.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.

No it wouldn't because their own people would still be unemployed. It'd just replace South Asians with non-local Arabs. And not all Arabs are the same.

Another change in the Budapest crisis.

Police unexpectedly opened the railway station building once more. The crowd almost immediately charged inside and filled the entire station, trying to board any train they could. Massive chaos, migrants are running from train to train, trying to find any that will take them.

The railway company announced that, until further notice, no international trains will depart to Western Europe from Budapest. All international traffic will be conducted through the border towns, not the capital. It took time until the migrants were told about it, yet many refuse to budge from the station building now that they're inside.

Funny thing? I'm traveling to southern Hungary today and was supposed to depart from that railway station - but no way in hell am I going anywhere near that place right now.

The chief of police in Vienna announced that any migrants reaching Vienna will be let through without questions, as there's too many to process.

Govt says the Germans quietly asked them through the Hungarian ambassador in Berlin to select 200-300 migrants, load them onto a train and send them to Germany, but keep the whole thing under wraps from the media.

edited 3rd Sep '15 2:38:58 AM by amitakartok

If they were concerned about their own populations unemployment they would not have imported so many South Asians. And while not all Arabs are the same, Syrians and Saudis do have more in common than say, Saudi's and Pilipinos. People's that have more in common have an easier time,though defiantly not a easy one, integrating into the society of their new country. Besides, their is a significant decrease in the likelihood of drowning if they went to Saudi Arabia, or any of the other Gulf States.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.

Thing is the Gulf States don't want to integrate migrants into their country, they want to exploit them as a source of cheep/slave labour.

The unemployment thing is a balancing act, the Gulf States want to tackle their unemployment by getting their people into high end skilled jobs, not the menial jobs that they import South Asians to do, the governments don't want skilled labourers from Syria coming in and competing with the local population for the skilled jobs.

Also it's a lot less easy to treat refuges from Syria the way they treat South Asians, not only is it likely to be less acceptable culturally for fellow Arabs to be treated that way, but it's a lot easier for Syrian refuges to fight back or leave.

“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ Cyran

Good point.

I Bring Doom,and a bit of gloom, but mostly gloom.

I actually saw some refugees in a train station when I went to the Sziget Festival. Organizers put up posters against festival goers to donate camping equipment they didn't need after the festival for refugees.

edited 3rd Sep '15 7:36:08 AM by Mastah

Doesn't sound like they are doing a great job at that

It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes

The EU needs to get a move on with formulating a better replacement for Dublin. Before this chaos allows more....unsavory elements.....to take advantage of the sheer lack of checks. Waiting til after Juncker's speech seems a bit ridiculous....