Oh, bother.
Hatred isn't a mental illness. Let's not jump the gun until an actual diagnosis comes out.
And a depressive episode, as ![[up]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/smiles/arrow_up.png "[up]"){kind=icon}
mentions, isn't grounds for an insanity defense.
Edited by M84 on Feb 9th 2019 at 3:26:36 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
One can still be disordered, yet retain responsibly at the same time. People are complicated like that.
I'm not excusing her, by-the-by. You have to quite consciously break a lot of logic chains and ignore personal alarm bells to get to the point where "murdering a lad I don't know to pin the blame on somebody else... and then involve my brother, as well, because by not" sounds to you like a great plan. 
Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 8th 2019 at 8:03:02 PM
Oh, bother.
Or we can just say she's fucking evil. How about that? Heck, they even called her crime "diabolical".
She was a selfish awful person who prioritized her own emotional gratification over the well-being of others.
The chain of logic is easy to follow. She wanted to kill her father-in-law out of hatred and jealousy. She got her brother involved — probably because she thought he'd be an easy patsy if things went to shit. When father-in-law didn't show, she attacked and nearly killed an unrelated kid who happened to be nearby because by then she was so damn angry and bloodthirsty that she just wanted to hurt someone, anyone. Then decided to capitalize on this by trying to frame her father-in-law for it. Then tried to pin it on her brother — her original purpose for getting him involved.
You don't need to be mentally ill to come up with this. You just need to be a completely shitty human being with no regard for anyone else.
Edited by M84 on Feb 9th 2019 at 4:44:15 AM
Disgusted, but not surprised
Disordered =/= mentally ill. It often is, not not necessarily all the time for all kind of disorder.
Evil is, arguably, definable as a social, ethical or moral disorder. As an example. <shrugs>
Oh, bother.
Now you're stretching the definition of disordered to the point of being meaningless.
A social disorder is not necessarily a mental illness. That's canon.
The whole century-long debate about sexual orientation saw to that. Not to mention the whole hysteria business. :/
Oh, bother.
Why the hell are you bringing sexuality into this? Are you implying that LGBT orientation is a disorder?
I'm bringing up that fact that it was once both classed as a mental illness, then became classed as a social disorder. Then society changed a lot more, so in fewer places is it even classed as that with each passing year.
Disordered behaviour is not necessarily an illness, despite the general perception of those around somebody with a neurological difference.
Hence... a disorder is not necessary a mental illness, hence... it can be a different form of sane that doesn't fit well in social environments as they exist around an individual with them.
I never once used "mental illness". You did.
Oh, bother.
I'm not sure why you're insisting that this person had to be "disordered" to do this, whatever the hell you think "disordered" means.
What she did is pretty easy to understand: she hated someone enough to want him dead and didn't care who she hurt in the process.
Edited by M84 on Feb 8th 2019 at 6:53:53 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
I said "might be". Not "must be". <_<
In short: we should drop it. I took issue with you then picking that up and going "mental illness" on it.
I will reiterate: a disorder is possible. As is a mental illness. Or it may not be the case, either way.
But a line said primarily in light facetiousness (and a degree of sympathy for all concerned) really shouldn't lead to this much microscopy. :/
Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 8th 2019 at 10:57:51 AM
Oh, bother.
I don't have any sympathy for the perpetrators. And I don't think it's appropriate to be facetious about a situation that left a 14 year old boy who was minding his own business with life threatening multiple stab wounds.
Edited by M84 on Feb 8th 2019 at 7:02:38 PM
Disgusted, but not surprised
I have a quite lot of sympathy for the brother and father-in-law (especially him). Even a tiny amount for her. Although it's, admittedly, not a very large tiny.
My biggest sympathies lie the the family of the boy. Unfortunately, the poor lad is too dead to receive any benefit of the sympathy I have for him.
I also reserve some sympathy for the staff now stuck with dealing with that can of worms on a 24/7 basis.
Eh? The boy did survive.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman
Bleh — my bad. In my defence: rusty German after 11 pm = very rusty reading. Oops.
Edited by Euodiachloris on Feb 8th 2019 at 12:17:48 PM
Not sure if this is the correct place to post this, but it seemed as good as any, given it's about a criminal case:
Bill Cosby says he won't feel remorse because he's a 'political prisoner'
https://www-m.cnn.com/2019/02/13/us/bill-cosby-prison-statement/index.html
The Mod with the Migraine
I ... wow. Just ... damn.
That’s the epitome of privilege right there, not considering armed nazis a threat to your life. - Silasw
Apparently, first case from 1988, Saudi men in the US accused from serious crimes, from child pornography to vehicular manslaughter, have had their bails paid off by the government and illegally flown back to their home country, effectively escaping justice.
The original Oregonian article.
Oh, bother.
DNA on napkin leads to murder charge in 25-year-old case
“If we don’t have a match, we don’t have a case,” Freeman said.
Officers then followed Westrom in hopes of collecting a sample of his DNA, and got lucky at a hockey game where he ordered a hotdog at a concession stand, wiped his mouth after eating, and tossed the napkin in the trash.
Investigators matched the DNA on the napkin to that found on a washcloth at the crime scene, the Star Tribune reported. Authorities said DNA taken from Westrom after his arrest also connected him to the crime scene.
Westrom has denied involvement and said he did not know the victim and was not present in the apartment where she was killed. His lawyer said he was charged prematurely.
The suspect is married with two grown children, an owner of several businesses and a supporter of youth athletics. He has convictions for drunk driving and served probation after being accused of soliciting a teenager for sex, according to the newspaper.
A little something local:
Cold case breakthrough: Man charged with murder in 1995 death of Idaho teen
https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/local/crime/article226524640.html
Bill Cosby has officially said what is easily one of the stupidest things I've ever heard.
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
Sad reflection of how badly these issues were tackled before the current era, he had already gone to trial multiple times, and it took a documentary to make this man finally face determined prosecution.
So there is still hope against Polanski?
A selected - there are more - piece on how climate change might change crime rates and another piece about how - for example - cold waves reduce crime and heat waves increase it.
Oh, bother.
Hotels at centre of rape allegations promoted on TripAdvisor
Here's the part that made me go "WTF?"
Trip Advisor responded by suggesting K could leave a first person review detailing her sexual assault on the website.
Apparently she had a depressive episode at the time of the crime so the judge went with 18 years instead of the 20 years requested by the prosecutor. But apparently there is no indication that she didn't know what she was doing, or of any deeper psychological issue other than the aforementioned hatred and jealousy (and perhaps a bit of sociopathy).
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman