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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#976: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:54:46 PM

Never mind of course that a lot of us were born in the USA. Meaning we never abandoned mainland China in the first place. Heck, in my case my parents were born in the Ro C (Taiwan) so I'm doubly removed from mainland China.

Edited by M84 on Sep 26th 2019 at 10:57:00 PM

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AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#977: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:58:02 PM

Haven't heard much about gender discrimination when it comes to organ trafficking. I do know that when it comes to bride kidnappings they tend to prey upon other East Asians, such as those from Vietnam or the countryside, over overseas Chinese women.

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#978: Sep 26th 2019 at 7:58:50 PM

Why the CCP is so obvious in wanting to be Imperial Japan 2.0

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#979: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:00:15 PM

[up]Nah, the CCP doesn't want to revive the actual imperial monarchy system with Emperors and everything. They "just" want a global hegemony under their control.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#980: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:17:23 PM

There were periods in the past where the state looked up to the diaspora as heroes. The Xinhai Revolution was funded in parts by overseas Chinese communities of all social classes. Thousands of diaspora Chinese came to the Burma Road as construction workers, drivers and mechanics before Japan invaded Southeast Asia. One older gentleman I know in Perth is a Chinese-Indonesian who migrated to the People's Republic in the early '60s through a bilateral dual-citizenship scheme - he mentioned diaspora returnees being welcomed as the nation's best and brightest at first, before the CultRev reached its zenith and his friends started getting put on struggle sessions for being suspected foreign spies. He swam to HK under the noses of armed guards and migrated to Australia later. IIRC the Deng era was also marked by enthusiasm for the investment and talent of the diaspora as quite a few "came home" to help build the country... until Tiananmen happened. There's a whole generation of Chinese-Australians who got their citizenship from the blanket asylum granted by the Hawke government in the aftermath.

I feel like the CCP has gone through a bit of a jilted lover's syndrome ever since. Most overseas Chinese either migrated before the People's Republic was a thing or because they wanted to get away from its bullshit - whatever romantic attachment their kids might have to the homeland tends to get quickly dispelled by the tyranny and abuses of its ruling regime. That's probably also why they're spending a lot of effort on indoctrinating the heirs of Party elites as their Hitlerjugend-lite extensions in foreign universities. The diaspora isn't kissing their ring, so they have to build their fifth column from the ground up.

Also, just remembered that there's a Hui immigrant couple who recently set up a lamian place near where I work. I probably should drop by.

Edited by eagleoftheninth on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:19:23 AM

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#981: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:20:08 PM

I feel like the CCP has gone through a bit of a jilted lover's syndrome ever since.

The CCP is the kind of ex who boils bunnies and whom you file restraining orders against.

Edited by M84 on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:26:00 PM

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#982: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:32:32 PM

There's basically three ways for countries to define citizenship, but two have merged into one in the last several decades.

The first is what I call "citizenship by residence or permit". This is the typical Western understanding of what being a citizen means, which is that you are a citizen of Country X by being born or having lived within Country X's the national boundaries after completing an application. Case in point, you can become an American citizen through being born in a US state, territory, or overseas facility operated by the federal government (re: military bases) or through having passed an application process.

The second is "citizenship by culture", which defines being a citizen as having been raised up to practice a particular culture extolled by Country X's government as being the ideal "national culture". In the US, Native American tribes still use this method to evaluate whether or not a person should be considered as an official member of the tribe. This method was commonly practiced in Europe until the late decades of the Cold War, when declining birth rates and the sharp uptick in human migration into Europe with the collapse of the Warsaw Pact and the Yugoslav Wars forced many national governments to adopt the citizenship by residence/permit doctrine instead. Case in point, both West and East Germany had encouraged thousands of foreigners such as Turks, North Africans, Koreans, and Vietnamese to settle in the FRG and GDR as "temporary guest workers" since the population of male Germans had been decimated by World War II. The guest workers had to actually lobby and protest to be recognized as fully fledged German citizens starting in the 1970s.

The last is "citizenship by blood", which as I have mentioned, is defined by a person sharing the same ethnicity (or just part of the same ethnicity) that is used by Country X to officially define their nation. This is most commonly found in non-Western countries such as Japan and Korea, which explicitly make it virtually impossible for anyone not ethnically nihonjin Japanese or hangukin Korean to become official citizens. Two examples in the West are Israel and Greece, which permit anyone of Jewish or Hellenic descent - even if already citizens of other countries - to easily apply for citizenship; as a side note, both Israel and Greece require military service from all male citizens, so applicants to tread carefully about applying. [lol]

There's nothing inherently wrong with that last approach so long as the government that practices is democratic, since Israel, Greece, Japan, and Korea all make applying optional, and even if a Jewish-American or a Greek-American were to get into legal trouble, the Israeli and Greek governments would still treat them as US citizens first even if their heritage was discovered.

What makes Xi Jinping's current approach so terrifying is that the CCP is now applying citizenship by blood to anyone of Han descent without their consent. Meaning that anyone of Han descent who sets foot in the PRC has a not small chance of not being permitted to leave, or worse, be prosecuted under the CCP's anti-dissident laws as a full PRC citizen instead of a foreign national.

The CCP's policy is best summarized by the quote a PLA general uttered to the author of one of the most recent article's about the CCP's influence operations

The toast started out in standard fashion. "To your health." Drink. "To your families." Drink. Then came the twist. "And to remembering that blood is thicker than water. Chinese blood runs through you. You understand us, and know that no matter what flag you wear on your shoulders, you are Chinese first and foremost."

In one of his recent speeches, Xi Jinping also stated that:

We will maintain extensive contacts with overseas Chinese nationals, returned Chinese and their relatives and unite them so that they can join our endeavors to revitalize the Chinese nation.

Edited by FluffyMcChicken on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:36:43 AM

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#983: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:38:14 PM

And to remembering that blood is thicker than water. Chinese blood runs through you. You understand us, and know that no matter what flag you wear on your shoulders, you are Chinese first and foremost.

Ok, this is legit disturbing. Which means it's par for the CCP.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#984: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:40:48 PM

Yeah, mainland China's been a vipers' nest for a long time.

At least the cuisine is top-notch.

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#985: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:42:11 PM

A world without Chinese food would be a worst one.

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AzurePaladin She/Her Pronouns from Forest of Magic Since: Apr, 2018 Relationship Status: Mu
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#986: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:43:57 PM

The "funny"' thing about the whole "Blood is thicker than water" phrase is that IIRC the full phrase is "The blood of the covenant is thicker than the water of the womb". i.e. the exact opposite of what people use it for.

Also that comment the general made is creepy as f*ck.

Edited by AzurePaladin on Sep 26th 2019 at 11:45:40 AM

The awful things he says and does are burned into our cultural consciousness like a CRT display left on the same picture too long. -Fighteer
M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#987: Sep 26th 2019 at 8:49:46 PM

A lot of things about mainland China are creepy as fuck if you look too closely (or not even that closely in some cases).

It's got a lot of rich culture and accomplishments behind it...but damn does it have some serious issues of the soul.

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Alycus Since: Apr, 2018
#988: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:04:15 PM

I've mentioned this in the Hong Kong protests thread, but I've seen this sort of "pan-Chinese" nationalism, in which some diaspora Chinese, like in Malaysia, support everything Beijing does, despite living in a democratic state with free speech (relatively at least). I think it could be because of the following:

1) Poor race relations in the past between the Chinese and others, like the Malays. Taking my dad as an example, it's clear quite a bit of his support for China's growth comes from past troubles like the 13 May riots or the state-sanctioned discrimination faced by Chinese Indonesians leading up to the 1998 riots. All of these local tensions led him to believe that Chinese people are victims that need a strong protector.

2) Anti-Western sentiment - a strong belief that Chinese people were looked down on by Westerners for over a century, and that the Chinese again need a strong and proud ruler. By extension, this comes along with rejecting things like democracy, rule of law, even freedom of speech as unfitting Western concepts.

Personally, I believe that ideally it should be possible for Chinese culture to flourish and be respected without resorting to authoritarianism, ethnic supremacy and blind nationalism, but I guess that's not very feasible now.

China already has had its own version of Killmonger - his name was Mao Zedong. The only difference is, he won.

AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#989: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:15:21 PM

I'm all for a form of pan-Han/Hua identity as a diaspora Han, but I don't think it should be tied to the politics of the nation itself as it currently presents itself. There's a reason I used those terms and not "pan-Chinese" as it again ties itself into ideas of misplaced loyalty to China/Zhongguo. Although even then I'm at a loss of whether I want to still use those terms just because the Han themselves have perpetrated a lot of discrimination against other non-Han Chinese peoples, even pre-PRC.

Edited by AlleyOop on Sep 26th 2019 at 12:17:29 PM

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#990: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:20:45 PM

[up][up] There's some "official" name for it? The term for them that I see more is "r/Sino trolls".

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#991: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:21:52 PM

Mainland China's been undergoing something of a collective identity crisis for decades. It doesn't really know what it wants to be as a nation.

Edited by M84 on Sep 27th 2019 at 12:23:45 AM

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#992: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:27:57 PM

We we're talking about the Pro CCP Overseas Chinese tho.

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#993: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:28:44 PM

[up][up]In part because it isn't run by a single group and never has been.

Edited by Ramidel on Sep 26th 2019 at 8:28:53 AM

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TerminusEst from the Land of Winter and Stars Since: Feb, 2010
#994: Sep 26th 2019 at 9:30:02 PM

If we're talking trolls, there's a few terms. Wumao is the most common I've been hearing and reading.

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#996: Sep 30th 2019 at 5:59:16 PM

National Day has arrived.

For now, the SA Rs have tight security.

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eagleoftheninth In the name of being honest from the Street without Joy Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: With my statistically significant other
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#997: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:44:12 PM

I liked the part of the parade where they brought a goose to honk Jiang Zemin out of his necro-slumber, only for it to run loose into the marching formations.

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M84 Oh, bother. from Our little blue planet Since: Jun, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#998: Sep 30th 2019 at 10:50:27 PM

I guess you've been playing that abusive goose simulator (or in other words a goose simulator) game.

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#999: Oct 4th 2019 at 8:56:37 PM

Al Jazeera: China is falling in gender equality rankings amid discrimination, government calls for women to marry and have babies.

Seventy years later, Chinese women contribute 41 percent of the country’s gross domestic product or GDP (as of 2017), according to a report by accounting firm Deloitte China.

But gender equality remains a distant goal, and conditions are actually worsening. For the fifth year in a row, China has slipped down the rankings of the World Economic Forum’s global gender gap index; its gender gap widening even as other countries narrow theirs.

Ranked 57th (of 139 countries) in 2008, China is now 103rd (of 149 countries). In terms of "health and survival", it ranked last.

In some areas gender discrimination is blatant.

Nearly a fifth of postings for national civil service jobs listed a requirement or preference for male candidates; a trend repeated in advertisements for prestigious positions in other industries too, according to a 2018 Human Rights Watch report.

A study released by online recruiter Boss Zhipin earlier this year reported that Chinese women earned 78.2 cents for every dollar paid to a man, a drop of nearly nine percent from the year before.

Nowhere is the gender gap more apparent than in politics. In 70 years, not one woman has ever been appointed to the country’s highest governing body, the Politburo Standing Committee. Among the wider 25-person Politburo, only one woman is included, and of 31 provincial-level governments, not one is led by a woman.

In recent years, government relations with women’s rights groups have soured, with high-profile arrests of feminist activists and limits placed on the work of civil society. Online censorship of women’s topics has also increased.

Experts say that deterioration is tied to government efforts to stimulate a baby boom, motivated by growing concern about the economic effect of China’s ageing population and the low birthrate despite the introduction of the Two-Child Policy in 2015.

Rebecca Karl, a history professor at New York University with a focus on China, said that that “economic imperative” first emerged after the global financial crisis of 2008, and the government has since promoted messaging designed to “coerce women to return to the home so as to free up remaining employment for men,” she said.

Earlier this year President Xi Jinping called on women to “shoulder the responsibilities of taking care of the old and young.”

The shift has been accompanied by a pronounced change in the way state media describe women in the public eye, Beijing Foreign Studies University’s Jing told Al Jazeera; an idealisation of what she calls “middle-class female domesticity” and a growing emphasis on appearance.

In the past the focus would have been a woman’s achievements, Jing said. Today, it’s not uncommon to hear descriptions such as “the beautiful athlete” or “attractive official” when successful women are being discussed.

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#1000: Oct 4th 2019 at 9:20:46 PM

And China continues it's spiral into more bad things

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