Legends of Tomorrow, the Flash/Arrow spin-off

Well Wally was nice while he lasted but sadly he won't be a regular in season 4....

His latest appearance on The Flash admittedly makes it rather difficult to tell what he plans to do going forward.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Unless the Flash writers become savants I don't see how they could possible use Wally well at all.

Poor Wally.

Nobody seems to know what to do with the kid.

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He's not going back to Flash long term either. Supposedly he'll be in a few episodes, and an episode or two of Legends, then the character is just being written out.

Rumor is because the character is going to be used on Titans so C Wverse is getting rid of him.

He posted a thing on instagram and twitter thst makes it seem he just doesnt want to do a whole season anymore https://mobile.twitter.com/KeiynanLonsdale/status/1004356381321805829/photo/3

Some spoilers for Season 4 recently got leaked, and they've certainly piqued my interest:

In addition to Ava and Constantine, another regular is going to be added to the show, a fantasy-literature obsessed woman who may be a werewolf.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Hm...

Well - and granted, trying to place these newcomers as DC characters is probably an exercise in futility given how far removed this show has been making itself from DC in general recently - with the exception of being a werewolf I'd almost say that could be Summer Day, who sorta fits the description but is a werehyena. DC doens't have an awful lot of werewolf characters regardless, though.

Granted, having Hyena (a Firestorm villain) in a season that doesn't actually feature Firestorm would be a little weird. But on the other hand, Flash has been doing Killer Frost without Firestorm for ages, and she's his archenemy.

edited 21st Jun '18 8:29:24 PM by KnownUnknown

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.

Trailer for Season 4 just came out. A lot of it is reused footage from Season 3, but there is a fair bit of footage from the Season 4 premiere.

I'm curious whether there's some context that explains it, or if they're just completely breaking the fourth wall with Ray there at the end.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

...So I guess Wally isn't part of the cast anymore?

I mean, what are they going to do with him? He can't go back to The Flash. They had no clue how to use him.

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I hope they aren't totally breaking the 4th wall, I don't want this to become a self-referential cartoon.

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the actor is leaving the arrowverse. which I find a shame. maybe if they had moved him to legends earlier he could have stuck around

in universe its probably just people who dont think they are fucking idiots.

also this is the same show that had them go to john noble on the set of lotr to get him to record lines because he sounded like the big bad voiced by john noble.

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Jul 21st 2018 at 6:53:27 AM

Which is only possible in a fictional universe.

Edited by Eagal on Jul 21st 2018 at 7:16:33 AM

You fell victim to one of the classic blunders!

It's always so nice to see Matt Ryan as Constantine :)

Also, please do a MLP reference xD

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With Sellers playing a new character this season, maybe she'll actually get to be queer, which would be a nice touch.

I hope the writers remember Sara should be dealing with the death or her dad. I expect her to be at least a little in the bottle again.

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Yeah, though these shows usually try to occur in more or less real time (even the resident time travel show), so roughly five months will have gone by for Sara since Quentin's death. That's at least some healing time.

The real question is, given that Ricardo Diaz is still at large, how is Sara not hunting him down in a Roaring Rampage of Revenge?

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

I mean, does she even know? Has anyone had time to contact them?

Actually, you know what would be cool? We know Ricardo Diaz can't be the Big Bad for the entire next season of Arrow, so why not have his last scene be him trying to escape and then running into Sara, who nonchalantly tells him that she looked up when and where he dies: right here and right now.

Sara showed up for Quentin's death on the Arrow season finale, so yeah, she knows.

Although, I suppose there's nothing stopping the Sara in that episode from being further in the future than the one we're following on Legends this season.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Okay, this is a moment I look forward to all year. The Extended Trailer for Legends of Tomorrow Season 4 is here, and it is just as insane as we could have hoped for!

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

So right now, only Mick, Sarah and Ray are left for original Legends.

They also lack a true powerhouse with both Wally and Firestorm now gone.

Then again, those powerhouses were always sidelined in some way to keep them from ending the plot too quickly, so maybe that's for the best.

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I'd count Ray and Nate as powerhouses (at least when they have their exo-suit and their powers aren't on the fritz, respectively). Being bulletproof makes 90% of the things they fight non-dangerous for them, and superstrength/energy weapons gives them plenty of offensive power, too.

"It takes an idiot to do cool things, that's why it's cool" - Haruhara Haruko

Eh, sadly Ray has been horribly nerfed since he came to the Legends. Best example to showcase that: In Arrow Season 3 he was shrugging off Arrows, in Legends Season 2 Merlyn shoots him out of the sky with one.

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I mean, Zari is kind of a powerhouse — she can use her Totem to Blow You Away. And also fly.

Having a powerful member isn't the problem, but having one's whose capabilities are too vast to write interesting plots with are. Simple powers that are kicked up to absurd degrees like the remaining legends have is fine.