Transformers: The Last Knight

I, uh, dunno about that.

I'm amused that apparently nobody has bothered to update the film pages about the reboot yet.

I'm pretty sure Last Knight deserves a Franchise Killer trope cause its underwhelming box office is why this incarnation of the franchise is getting rebooted in the first place.

I kind of wish it would act as a Creator Killer as well and end Bay's career as a director. I've only really enjoyd one of his movies, The Rock.

They showed footage from Bumblebee at Cinema Con, and it actually sounded alright.

I remember reading a tweet from Eric Vespe (don't know who he is) that was posted on TFW2005 saying that the 5-minute clip they showed of Bumblebee had more character and emotion than the 372 total hours we got from the Michael Bay movies.

Don't know about you guys, but to me, that says a lot.

EDIT: Found the tweet in question. Fixed the post accordingly.

edited 26th Apr '18 11:19:00 AM by TargetmasterJoe

Well, the director is Travis Knight, who also directed Kubo and the Two Strings and worked on other Laika productions. At the very least, Knight knows how to make a movie that's emotionally resonant, so it'd be interesting to see how a new director will approach this franchise. If it results in a film that's actually decent, I won't even care about the continuity issues this film will raise. Of course, we shall see where this goes once the teaser drops.

edited 26th Apr '18 11:46:49 AM by chasemaddigan

Finally saw the movie through means I will not discuss. In any case, the only fault I saw in this movie was that mid-credits scene. What else was there to wrap up with one more movie other than Megatron, Barricade, and Unicron?

Well it’s official. The series is dead.

edited 24th May '18 11:37:36 AM by ManOfSin

That article is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay behind the times.

Old news. Hasbro had outright said so back at Toyfair in February

Actually, this is considered new news since it's coming from Paramount rather than Hasbro.

If anything, the fact that it's coming from Paramount cements the notion that the Bayformers movies as we know them are effectively done.

(Is hoping the BumbleBee movie turns out to be a reboot.)

Honestly, the Bumblebee movie should be the first of the rebooted verse. That way, it can separate itself from the mess that was post-DOTM stuff a lot more.

edited 25th May '18 4:22:24 AM by G2BattleConvoy

Truthfully, Bumblebee sounds like it contradicts a lot of old lore from the other movies (although they had their share of bad continuity as well). When you have Bumblebee turn into a Volkswagen Beetle instead of a Camaro, it sounds more like the 80s cartoon being brought to life rather than the movie franchise.

If we're going for an actual reboot with Bay gone, that's probably what they're doing.

You know, I used to think that it was impossible to ruin the Transformers franchise, since you already have an excuse for the war and most of the characters. But it's nice to see someone else to focus on characterization rather than violence, eye candy, sex jokes, and "You have always been shit and will always be shit, Starscream!". Wait, that last one actually made Dark of the Moon good.

Or it would have if Starscream had done much of anything in the previous two movies.

It's funny, actually. Starscream was basically the stereotypical Dirty Coward in ROTF and DOTM. But from I understand, he was a competent leader right up till Megatron broke out of Hoover Dam.

Even then. Barely. Most of Starscream's character hinges on knowing his character from the cartoon. He gets one meaningful exchange with Megatron in the first film, where the later calls him a failure, despite the fact that till that point, Starscream's cons have had the Autobots on the rope, found the cube, and freed Megs. Heck, Megs' the one who spent 100 years next room to the cube, and failed to find it. Starscream's retreat at the end is justified when his allies are all dead - including Megs. Heck, Starscream takes out several jets. He has the highest bodycount of the Cons in the first film.

In the second film he basically gets bitched out by Megs for no reason - especially when it comes to light that both him and Megs serve the Fallen. And again, his suggestion to retreat makes sense when Optimus just ROSE FROM THE DEAD, crippled Megatron, ripped the Fallen's face off all effortlessly.

None of Starscreams' moments really qualify as a dirty coward. Compare to Megatron whom in the third film spends his time sitting on his ass, till Carla implies Sentinel's got a bigger dick so Megatron decides to torpedo his own side to prove her wrong.

edited 25th May '18 11:00:06 AM by Ghilz

I recall T5 also has Megatron call him “my old treacherous friend” when Starscream was never traitorous in the films.

Yeah, but seeing as the Last Knight basically ignored all the other bits of continuity (even all the EU stuff that was going on along with the first three films), that's debatable.

edited 25th May '18 12:31:25 PM by G2BattleConvoy

I always interpreted Megatron's "Stop kissing my ass, Starscream!" scene as an meta-joke. Like what he said in Prime once Megs snapped out of his coma," L-L-L-Lord Megatron, it's an miracle! You're alive!"

(Dragging Starscream back inside the Nemesis by his face.) " It'll be an miracle, Shitscream, if you survive what I have planned for you!"

As for The Last Knight, the only good parts of that movie was the robotic butler, that Transformer in Cuba who wants to hit the beach, the sight of Berserker strapped down, and the rest of the prisoner exchange scene. Everything else was just put there to die.

That's honestly one of my main problems with the The Last Knight. They have this somewhat out-of-place but kinda affectionate introduction montage... and then half of them are killed within 5 minutes.

...Such a waste of good marketing. Not to mention that the Unicron twist comes out of nowhere. Like, why would the Creators put Transformium onto the Earth if they knew Unicron was there the whole time?

...Unless Unicron was an accident?

I think they were trying to reuse the "Unicron is Earth" plot twist from Prime.

Yeah, that much is obvious.

But it just comes off as cheap. Even if I try to rationalize it.

Hey, at least Prime had an story for the great and mystical unicron, even if it was weirdly convenient.

If anything, they've could've done Armada's script and left him as an planet-eating version of Cybertron since Earth got fucked over at least twice and it could use armageddon to put it out of it's misery.