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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#11826: Nov 11th 2020 at 5:36:05 PM

I liked it mostly because the episode still led into another deceent adventure. I don't mind the cold open approach to adventures as long as the stuff we're getting instead is good.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
MetalMichelangelo Since: Nov, 2012
#11827: Nov 13th 2020 at 3:47:35 PM

Louie and Huey were onto something with their desired powers. They just needed to also ask for the ability to control their powers.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#11828: Nov 14th 2020 at 2:27:32 PM

Who's excited to see little Donald and Della in two days!

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#11829: Nov 14th 2020 at 2:31:53 PM

I'm definitely looking forward to it. Also looking forward to the episode after, since I'm eager to hear Michelle Gomez's Matilda.

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#11830: Nov 14th 2020 at 3:28:41 PM

The title of one YouTube video that's just the climactic fight from "New Gods on the Block" refers to the titan as "Crownus". When Zeus said the name, I thought he was just saying Kronos / Cronus, not making a bird-pun (and the one they summoned was most likely not him but a different titan anyway).

Matchingbone from Somewhere between here and way over there. Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#11831: Nov 14th 2020 at 8:57:30 PM

Yeah the subtitles also made the bird pun so I assume this is not the legit titan but just a thing to be a one-off for this episode. But then again the devouring kind of is like Cronus the titan. Idk

Snicka Since: Jun, 2011
#11832: Nov 14th 2020 at 10:48:49 PM

If the titan in this episode is Crownus, it might be a case of Unrelated in the Adaptation - i.e. he's not Zeus's father, just a random powerful monster.

jessicadicicco610 Since: Oct, 2018 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
#11833: Nov 16th 2020 at 12:56:32 AM

If Cristina Valenzuela ever takes over as the voice of Donald's nephews outside this series, I wouldn't mind. She sounds very similar to Russi Taylor when voicing young Donald.

https://mobile.twitter.com/DuckTalks/status/1328329459083120641

Edited by jessicadicicco610 on Nov 16th 2020 at 5:48:14 AM

sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#11834: Nov 16th 2020 at 7:48:03 AM

I like that Hortence's letter to Scrooge was literally the same letter from the cartoon that introduced Huey, Dewey, and Louie. Also that the story Scrooge told Donald and Della was basically the original Ducktales pilot.

Edited by sgamer82 on Nov 16th 2020 at 7:54:26 AM

Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#11836: Nov 16th 2020 at 12:39:26 PM

    New Gods on the Block! 

"The helmet of Hengis Khan." Hengis? Since when do you pronounce it Hengis? The name is much closer to Djengis Khan. I'm not sure if this is supposed to be a pun, or just an odd pronunciation.

Also, really, you're starting the episode with Scrooge finding the crown? No build up, no mystery, nothing? Also, that crown looks nothing like the one in Barks' story. Though now I'm looking for it, it doesn't seem the Khan of Khans even had a crown; he seems to just have worn a traditional headdress, presumably that of a clan leader. The crown thing is probably a Western invention, if I had to guess.

Or a Duckiverse invention, even. It's rather telling just how many Duck pictures show up when Googling for images of "Gengis Khan crown".

Hey look, it's Koh! Or rather, a giant silk worm. That's pretty funny.

Scrooge instructs the kids on how to get the treasure... and they blow it. Off screen. We don't even get to see them fail. And then the adventure is over.

Boo. Boo, I say to thee, episode. Blow off this epic Barks adventure in the cold open, and not even show us? Thrice boo to you!

For those of you interested in the actual adventure alluded to here in animation, check out "Lost Crown of Genghis Khan" of the Original Ducktales.

Well, I guess this episode is more interested in the heroes wangsting over this lost adventure than it is in actually showing us losing it. Which is what we get.

Wait, helmet? That sure looked like a crown to me. That thing would do nothing for you as a helmet, I'm afraid. grin

The more I look at it, the more it starts looking like a fancy fire hydrant to me, too... grin

Scrooge quickly recovers himself, and decides he just needs better people, because the kids are not good enough. At least, that's what they say. It's not like we actually see any of this that would suggest this. The show is not showing us any of this, it just tells us. That's bad writing.

Oh, and Della is apparently also written off, despite not even being along for that adventure. At least, not that we know of. It's not like we were there to see it.

Of course there is a lot of wangsting from the kids, but this carries little weight since we haven't really seen how, or even if, they failed their mission. Was it their own fault? Was it bad luck? Could they reasonably have done better? What made Scrooge suddenly give up on them? This smacks of a Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure. And that's a third act trope. Much as that trope is a cliche in itself, it can at least be played out well with a proper build-up. But we don't have a build-up, because this is the cold open.

It just seems like a weird start to an episode to me when there is zero build-up for it. It even lacks the drama of the Plot-Mandated Friendship Failure from the first season finale. There at least the Ducks were distraught over the breakup. Here they seem rather less concerned, and Della immediately deflates any tension by reassuring the kids.

And then the Greek Gods burst in, with a dead Zeus. I mean, they say he is "no more", which usually means someone is dead, so I feel I should be a little cross if he isn't, in fact, dead. grin

Also, what, they stood his body up outside the door so they could dramatically shove him inside once it opened? grin

And of course Zeus is still alive. Clearly Selene has a terrible choice of words. No, apparently his powers have gone for some reason.

"Father, not in front of the mortals." Since when is Storkules such a stuck up snob about mortals? Seems like an out of character joke for him.

So the other gods have dethroned Zeus for being a jerk, and taken away his powers by... taking away his wreath? What kind of Weaksauce Weakness is that?? Are you telling me the God of Thunder could lose his powers by a strong gust of wind? Better not tell Aeolus. grin

"We need a new god to take Zeus' place." And you thought of the Ducks, why...? Why not one of the other gods? I don't see why any of the Ducks would even be considered. This is basically a fanfic plot at this point.

"Wait, if we had crazy god powers..." "We'd be all knowing." "Unstoppable." Really? Because Zeus seems to be neither of those. The show is conflating the powers of the Christian god with those of Zeus, it seems.

"Actually, I thought Della would be the most worthy." Again, why? What has she done that shows her deserving of god-hood? Wait, it's Selene offering it... This is just blatant nepotism, isn't it? grin

Della is convinced the kids would make amazing gods, of course.

Meanwhile, Donald discovers Storkules is back. Man, he recognized him from just feeling his arm. He was also setting up a date with Daisy, so I'm guessing sitcom hijinks are incoming.

"Two dates? Then surely you are to be wed!" Well, that's sitcom logic for you there. Can't argue with that, right? grin

Meanwhile, we go into what really is the purpose of this episode: having the kids try out god powers. Yep, this really is a Duck fanfic idea dressed up as a Ducktales episode. The Ducks go into a conveniently consequence free alternate reality to muck about, so there are zero stakes. None. Nothing they do will have any repercussions, or need fixing.

This show just hates tension sometimes.

Well, let's see what Louie comes up. Predictably, he chooses the Midas Touch. Equally predictably, it takes all of ten seconds for him to turn a dog into a golden statue. And then turns the planet into gold, mirroring the Golden Goose episode of the old show. But of course, since this is not real, there is zero tension. Why should I care about this if Selene can just snap her fingers and fix this?

"Now that's funny!" Eh... not really? Louie went through the entire plot of the Golden Goose episode in all of ten seconds, and it was entirely predictable from the moment he gets the golden touch. Comedy needs surprise, an unexpected comedic turn. Hell, even an unexpected dramatic turn can lead to unintended comedy when overdone, turning into Narm. This was... neither of that.

On top of that, telling your audience how funny your joke was is just asking for your audience to second-guess how funny it actually was.

Oh, apparently this is the real world. Still no stakes, though, as Selene trivially undoes the damage.

Well, Scrooge is still being a jerk about his family not being "good enough". Or oblivious. I'm not sure if we are supposed to take this as comic or dramatic. The episode seems unable to decide.

Meanwhile, Storkules is still ruining Donald's date, being the shoehorned obnoxious roommate (I say shoehorned because, well, Donald obviously doesn't have a roommate; clearly the writers had a college age sitcom plot in mind here).

"So, fair Daisy, what are your intentions with my Donald?" Okay, that got a laugh. grin

Huey's power will be to see the future. Now that ought to be interesting. He could see his own and his family's future! How would he deal with that?

But no, of course that would be way too interesting, so instead he just sees mundane minutiae, and ruins some couple's date by foreseeing how their relationship will turn out. He insults some bully, but of course the thing ends before anything can come of that. Yawn. Next.

Zeus calls hades, who is... some heavy metal dude sitting on a pile of bones. I think he's supposed to be a KISS reference. I wonder how many young viewers will even recognize that. Once again the writers are showing their age. grin

In any case, Zeus gets the idea to release the Titans, so he can lock them up again and prove his worth. Man, this guy is a bona fide asshole by now. No wonder nobody likes him.

Well he would, but Hades refuses since Zeus lost his powers.

Meanwhile, Webby becomes Twilight Sparkle, I mean the Princess of Friendship, I mean the Goddess of Friendship. Man, people talk about this show's roots in Gravity Falls, but I'm seeing quite a bit more of MLP in it at times. grin

Webby tries to make everyone happy, but then has it rain on someone for... whispering to someone. That was rather mean. It's like Twilight without the social skills. grin

And then she gets mad because people still aren't being happy. She goes all Midnight Sparkle, but before anything interesting can happen, Selena ends the show.

Sigh. Nothing interesting is happening this episode. These little god vignettes go nowhere and have no consequence or weight, Storkules is in a boring sitcom plot stealing the spotlight from Daisy's second appearance, and it looked for a second Zeus' plot was getting interesting, but that got shot down right away.

Well, Dewey is next, and does a Quack Pack worthy breakdance number, complete with costume. Of course he forgets to use any powers. And apparently that's it for him. Okay then.

Meanwhile, Storkules shoots a bunch of Cupid's arrows at Daisy and Donald. Of course the arrows don't actually do anything interesting, and Daisy just walks out in a rage like the standard sitcom plot demands.

I mean, really, you had Cupid's arrows. Sure, it's cliche, but at least it would have been something.

Selene tells Della none of the kids won, and of course they are dejected at losing again. At least they screwed up on screen this time, though the actual bits were so short they feel feather light emotionwise.

Storkules cries to Zeus about ruining Donald's date, and Zeus suggests that having them battle a Titan will make things right.

Why is Storkules a god, anyway. He's based on Hercules, who was a demi-god.

Well, the kids are depressed, and Scrooge continues being a jerk.

Meanwhile, Daisy is mulling over breaking up with Donald.

"No! You do not need to fall for another man who needs saving." And then the Titan shows up. Okay, that was worth the setup.

Of course the Titan grabs Donald and... just stands there. Well, he's waiting for Daisy to show up so he can dramatically swallow Donald. Of course Daisy chews Storkules out over killing her boyfriend.

This. This should have been the main, and only, plot of this episode. Not that trite drama-less drama with the kids.

Donald is still alive in the Titan's belly (which has... windows... for... reasons), and Daisy goes to save him. No, wait, Selene goes to save him. Of course the gods fail and get swallowed too. Della and Scrooge arrive, and fight the Titan while arguing over Scrooge holding the Jerkass Ball for the episode. Scrooge tells the kids they're great, but gets himself and Della captured by doing so.

And then Daisy stands up to the Titan, who is apparently impressed by her scream. Which is not all that impressive. It falls a little flat, to be honest. Then the kids get their powers, and beat the Titan in a very specific manner with their very specific powers.

Man, that Titan was a pushover. This is why you never summon the Titans in your story unless you're ready for them to really trash the place. Anything less tends to just turn them into a monster of the week, like with this one.

Also, Daisy got to do nothing at all during all this. I was hoping she would pick up the wreath instead and use her own super powers to save Donald. Now that would have been great.

Well, at least Donald and Daisy get a cute moment... until Storkules butts in. I feel this guy is starting to overstay his welcome a bit on this show.

Oh. I see what they did there. They turned the kids into the X-men. Freakish, pyrrhic powers and all. Well, except Dewey, who didn't really get a power.

So Scrooge learns his lesson about his family being his most important asset. Again. Sigh. How many times do we have to go over this same basic plot?

And Zeus gets his powers back... because. Just because. And then falls into Hades, I guess.

Well, this episode had a few interesting moments, but was mostly rather meh. Was this really worth ditching the Genghis Khan plot over? Hardly. We got some Daisy/Donald moments, but just barely. I think the episode had done well to cut out the pointless conflict with Scrooge and the kids, which came out of nowhere and promptly had the reset button pressed at episode's end, and stuck with Donald and Daisy.

But because we didn't, we saw very little of Daisy, and found out even less about her as a new character, playing second fiddle to both plots here. She didn't even get to rescue Donald by herself, which would have been much more interesting than that dull fight. It's kinda weird, the episode seemed to set that up, but then flat out ignored her in favour of the main cast. What a wasted opportunity to give Daisy some other character trait than The Damsel.

Optimism is a duty.
Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
Redmess
#11837: Nov 16th 2020 at 12:51:22 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if this Titan was just a generic monster, plenty of media seem to overlook the "father to the gods" part to their backstory, instead just treating them as a sort of primordial monsters.

And yes, the next episode sounds much more fun.

On a side note, since it was mentioned, what voices would you prefer for the triplets? I always liked the Old Ducktales version. They really sound like Donald's kids there, and, well, like actual kids.

Edited by Redmess on Nov 16th 2020 at 9:52:53 PM

Optimism is a duty.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#11838: Nov 16th 2020 at 12:58:34 PM

Watching the episode now.

I actually really like Bradford as Contrasting Sequel Antagonist, and I like that he's had to deal with the fact that actual supervillains are complete morons ever since the beginning.

I like the call back to HDL's first appearance with Hortense's letter.

I feel like Donald and Della being kids in the 60's is a retcon. I thought they were supposed to be in the mid-20's in the 90's.

Unless the Cold Open in the 60's takes place well before the episode itself, and I just missed it.

Another reference! Scrooge tells a story that's basically an abridged version of the pilot of the OG show. I was hoping this episode as a whole would be a riff on that story, but I guess that works.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 16th 2020 at 1:14:32 AM

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
sgamer82 Since: Jan, 2001
#11839: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:22:54 PM

The cold open was the 60s, the kids' part took place later. Note Scrooge having mobile phones and talking to "Director 22" at the end.

SpongeGuy11 Since: Jun, 2018
#11840: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:35:44 PM

[up][up][up]HDL's voices of preference depend on portrayal. If it's same personality triplets, then Russi Taylor works for that. If it's them having different personalities, then it's the reboot voice actors Danny, Ben, and Bobby (and they do nail the emotional stuff really well). I wonder what you think of the V As voicing them in Quack Pack?

And you do realize the kids having insecurities on measuring up to Scrooge was supposed to be part of the whole legacy theme this season? Didn't you like seeing Mama Della here?

At this point, I accept Della (and by extension Donald) not going on adventures after Mervana is cause the shows focuses more on the kids at the end of the day and in universe she likely wants them to experience the adventures without her help like how it was when she and Donald were kids.

And how would you have improved New Gods on the Block in a way that still keeps the kids having doubts on living up to Scrooge and the Donald and Storkules subplot?

Also, I'm pretty sure the show's version of Hades was trying to be closer to the Greek myths version of him where he is a fairly benevolent ruler of the underworld who takes his job seriously rather than a villain like the 1997 Hercules film.

Edited by SpongeGuy11 on Nov 16th 2020 at 1:37:03 AM

dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#11841: Nov 16th 2020 at 1:41:32 PM

I really liked the Papyrus of Binding in the latest episode. Seeing the way it interprets what is written feels like something out of Changeling: The Lost, and I love it.

GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#11842: Nov 16th 2020 at 2:17:11 PM

[up][up][up] Also, Bradford and Heron being noticeably older throughout the rest of the episode compared to the opening.

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Matchingbone from Somewhere between here and way over there. Since: Oct, 2016 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
#11843: Nov 16th 2020 at 3:16:41 PM

So I wonder if Bradford and Heron have always gone back and forth with their different types of villainy. I know it was brought up they are different tropes of villain but I forgot the actual tropes for them as they were back in "Let's Get Dangerous" when we were discussing it.

Also there really should have been an additional time transition to tell us that with Della and Donald we were in the 80s/90s. Maybe the use of 80s brick cellphones, the promotion of Beakly to director, The fact that FOWL seems to have become more of a thing, and Della's mention of a video game aren't enough for some people.

Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#11844: Nov 16th 2020 at 4:51:53 PM

@Redmess

Heracles became a god after he died. The God of Strength.

Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#11845: Nov 16th 2020 at 5:00:50 PM

so..is beakly F.O.W.L.? she was the one who recommended bradford to scrooge

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#11846: Nov 16th 2020 at 5:06:32 PM

[up][up]

....you mean Disney didn't make Hercules becoming a full god up?

Sure, their version only had him do it for a few short minutes, but still....

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#11847: Nov 16th 2020 at 5:11:50 PM

[up]The version I heard was that Heracles ended up ascending to godhood after throwing himself into a funeral pyre. The reason, of course, being because hydra venom was wreaking havoc on his body; it couldn't kill him, but ooh boy did he wish it could.

The funeral pyre apparently left his immortal side unburned, so he was able to achieve apotheosis and rose to Olympus.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Nov 16th 2020 at 5:15:09 AM

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
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#11848: Nov 16th 2020 at 5:14:26 PM

He was given a pelt coated in Hydra poison as I recall

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dragonfire5000 from Where gods fear to tread Since: Jan, 2001
#11849: Nov 16th 2020 at 5:23:02 PM

If I recall correctly, Heracles's third wife Deianira was kidnapped by a centaur, and Heracles killed that centaur with an arrow dipped in Hydra venom.

As a way to get posthumous revenge, the centaur tells Deianira that his blood works like a love potion of sorts and convinces her to bottle some of his blood and smear it on Heracles's clothes should he ever grow unfaithful. She does so.

Heracles eventually begins making eyes at a woman named Iole, causing Deianira to remember the centaur's words and put some of that poisoned blood on Heracles's clothes. The results were...not pleasant.

Heracles was too tough for the Hydra venom to kill, but the pain it put him through was so bad that the funeral pyre was looking like the better option. Turns out it was, because apotheosis ensued.

In a way, the Lernean Hydra turned out to be the most troublesome monster Heracles dealt with. Not only did it give him a hard time with its regenerating heads, but it managed to give him a posthumous "Screw you!" with its poisonous blood.

Edited by dragonfire5000 on Aug 23rd 2021 at 2:22:29 AM

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#11850: Nov 16th 2020 at 5:28:54 PM

Hydra venom is no joke. Chiron was set up for a Fate Worse than Death had he not given up his immortality after it wounded him.

Wake me up at your own risk.

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