New DuckTales Animated Series

He says a lot of strange things, it seems.

It's a Tad weird.

Edited by Etheru on Apr 17th 2019 at 9:22:21 AM

I recently found out about the NES game's prototype and "DREAM AND FRIENDS." http://dreamandfriends.com/2012/12/31/dream-and-friends/

How had I not heard of this sooner XD

I have a bit of hype fatigue about DW at this point. I'll be glad when he is finally on the show, but I don't know how much teasing I can take before that.

I just hope that he's written in a portrayal that's worthy of a superhero and not a blatantly pessimistic yet blithe deconstruction of one.

Edited by BrightLight on Apr 21st 2019 at 11:40:13 PM

But that's partially what he is.

Just less deconstruction and more parody.

Edited by sgamer82 on Apr 21st 2019 at 7:35:17 AM

Right, I would much rather have a Darkwing in the spirit of the old cartoon than some cynical deconstruction.

I will never forgive Argones if DW turns out to be an old, fat loser who used a stunt double even in his prime.

On another note, I saw a Dutch dub of a Ducktales episode (the Mount Olympus one), and Webby got a really childish voice. She sounds a lot younger than the nephews in that dub. Odd choice. Donald sounds spot on, though.

Edited by Redmess on Apr 21st 2019 at 10:21:16 AM

Doing things in-earnest is SO 20th century.

Pessimistic yet blithe deconstructions of things people used to love unironically are the order of the day.

I think there is definitely something to say for New Sincerity in media, especially those aimed at children.

I mean, do we really want Ducktales to turn our kids into cynical postmodernists?

Yes

Depends who you ask. Some people are certainly doing things like it to push an agenda.

Huh, something I've been hearing about lately that kinda ties into that, is Meta-Modernism.

It's getting a bit off topic, but it kinda can be considered a reconstruction of Postmodernism, to put it into our terms. Basically, instead of trying to subvert or deconstruct the audiences' expectations like Post-Modernism, a Meta-Modernist would actually playfully lean into an audiences' expectations, expecting them to be aware enough of genre tropes to have a basic idea of where the story is going.

It also has a tendency to use irony and sincerity in the same breath, as a type of pragmatic idealism. A seemingly cynical, franchise driven, cash grab of a movie, can also be an emotional, hilarious and touching film, without creating any contradiction.

It's heavily associated with the works of Lord and Miller.

Edited by megaeliz on Apr 22nd 2019 at 11:07:00 AM

Yeah, I don't agree with that video. IMO, at the core of all those cynical ironic deconstructions is merely a veneer of meaning, hiding another level of ironic cynicism.

The Lego movie is a cash grab to sell toys, but covering it is a packaging about the 'wonder of imagination and non-conformity', but inside that is a message about all types working together to build a skyscraper... but at the end of the day, you're still selling toys, no matter what you tell yourself to make you feel like an auteur to your hipster palls in Hollywood.

Candy with poison inside versus candy with poison inside, with another layer of candy inside that. Both still kill you.

It's like the film Velvet Buzzsaw: "Look at all these pretentious hipsters killed by the phony art world they've created." But the movie was made BY pretentious hipsters who don't even seem to get the pretentiousness of their own ending, that anyone not creating art ONLY for the sake of "art" deserves death. The idea that "selling out" is a bad thing is itself THE most Bourgeoisie thing I can think of.

To bring it back to Duck Tales: I think it's quite possible the show's creators are trying to bring meaning back to something in a post-modern age. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt. The problem is, it's beyond them. Like Kai in The Snow Queen, their eyes have been ruined and they don't know true meaning if they saw it. Raised on a diet of irony and deconstruction, they can only ever appreciate aspects of things ironically. Or, to put it another way: they WANT to pant beautiful images of the world, but all they've ever seen are shadows of it on the wall of Plato's Cave.

Edited by CitizenH on Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:25:18 AM

That's kinda the point though.

Metamodernism recognizes that both statements:

• The Lego movie is a cash grab to sell toys

and

• The lego movie is about wonder of imagination and non-conformity

can be true at the same time.

Here is a cupcake. Here is poison. Two different things.

Here is a poisoned cupcake. A third new thing comprised of both. But it's STILL poisonous. It doesn't matter what you call it; it's just another kind of poison.

Edited by CitizenH on Apr 22nd 2019 at 9:31:09 AM

It's all in how you frame it though.

God, we're getting off topic.

Edited by megaeliz on Apr 22nd 2019 at 1:03:21 PM

"The metamodern generation understands that we can be both ironic and sincere in the same moment; that one does not necessarily diminish the other."

This is, itself, just a cynical and ironic delusion that's result of a post-modern deconstruction of meaning itself. It's someone who's only ever seen a shadow puppet of a tree and a shadow puppet of a bird saying "ya know, trees and birds are pretty much the same thing; they're both dark shapes moving on this wall."

But yeah, this thread is about Duck Tales, not Derrida Tales.

Edited by CitizenH on Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:24:34 AM

then why does it work?

Even our own page recognizes The LEGO Movie of a Decon-Recon Switch of both tropes like The Chosen One, and franchise based movies in general. It’s meant to sell toys, but it also uses them as a metaphor for Human Creativity and the joy of creating.

It’s also the reason why Spider-Verse giving us the 2 minute version of each Spider-Persons’ origin story, each time one was introduced, Because “we all know the drill by now, so let’s get on with the story” was so refreshing.

Franchise driven filmmaking is a reality of today’s world, so it’s what you do with it that counts.

But as you said, we’re getting way off topic.

Edited by megaeliz on Apr 22nd 2019 at 8:22:25 AM

Edited by CitizenH on Apr 22nd 2019 at 10:52:27 AM

Never mind. Getting off topic.

Edited by megaeliz on Apr 22nd 2019 at 2:04:50 PM

News: We have summaries for upcoming episodes! This is an Instagram link so tell me if you can't see them.

And Frank's caught wind of it and has something to tease-- er, say.

Heck, I wouldn't even mind the cynical postmodern take if the writers were consistent in sticking to it and not revert back to pretty, clean, and overtly idealistic resolutions for their story arcs.

That Lena episode better be worth its drama.

Edited by BrightLight on Apr 23rd 2019 at 12:45:00 AM

Episode 215 is someone I never expected back.