Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
How old a carrier battlegroup are we talking? Top line modern Or 50's 60's ish era? How close do they start out?
If they start out far apart the carrier group would likely have time to find the enemy and send them presents by air and sea. If they start out in gun range of the big Battle Ships of the IJN and the enemy can close the US Navy may have a bad day.
The WWII subs were only noisy running their engines when charging batteries. They were quiet enough to creep close to ships on battery. They only have to catch them by surprise once to do a lot of damage. Though I think you may be right they would have to get pretty lucky overall.
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Ok, a little further back we were talking about countermeasures to small craft. AeroVironment, who manufacture military UAV's, demonstrated a new capability for the Switchblade LAM (Loitering Attack Munition) Drone Munition Switchblade.
Using their Puma ISR drone and a data link they demonstrated 3rd party targeting for their multi-shot launcher system which could do a handoff to a human operator for the final target ID, attack order, and even last minute wave off. What was interesting was this was used to demonstrate a possible anti-small fast craft capability.
“Our sensor-to-shooter solution greatly enhances Switchblade’s capability to positively identify targets and reduce engagement timelines by performing target identification and location functions prior to launch,” said Pedigo. “By continuously updating the target location throughout the engagement, S 2 S significantly reduces the Switchblade operator’s workload.”
So basically they have one craft flying as a sensor overwatch which then ID's and tracks threats and hands off the targeting to launch the LAM and then the human operator handles the tail end for engagement and/or last-minute wave off.
Edited by TuefelHundenIV on Dec 24th 2018 at 7:20:17 AM
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Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
For you submersible fans I found a pretty interesting blog.Covert Shores It covers a lot of submarine history, concepts, future projects, and abandoned projects.
US Navy Destroyer Fired Off Advanced Hyper Velocity Projectiles (HVP) During 2018 Exercise.
Apparently a spinoff of the railgun programs in at least its ammunition, it provides a significant range and velocity increase for legacy artillery.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Not surprised. We have mentioned a while back that the technology spin off's from the rail gun program would hit before the rail gun did because it would be easier to achieve.
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So now US destroyers can spam enemy defenses with a barrage of hypersonic 5 inch shells and Standard missiles, in addition to the Harpoon cruise missiles leisurely making their way towards the presumably very distracted targets.
And if all that fails, they are also rather adept at ramming by now.
Next generation Navy ships should be equipped with railguns and their hulls reinforced for the intended purpose of ramming.
rollin' on dubs
Navy Times releases four articles in 24 hours with new details on the Fitzgerald collision
Edited by TairaMai on Jan 16th 2019 at 1:26:49 AM
All night at the computer, cuz people ain't that great. I keep to myself so I won't be on The First 48
Seeing Izumo like this makes me realise she is even bigger then I though
◊, I wonder if she would be able to launch F-18 if she had a catapult.
Probably. She's about the same length as Charles de Gaulle. Though you don't really need a whole lot of ship to launch planes if you have a catapult. It's always been getting them back that's the hard part.
I wouldn't want to try an arrested recovery on a ship without an angled deck.
"Yup. That tasted purple."
^ In the early 1950s we used to do CATOBAR operations on aircraft carriers with staight-deck carriers before the FRAM I program.
It was an interesting time about it to say the least.
I don't think I've seen an Izumo in person, but I did get to see a Hyuga at Yokosuka a couple of times. She seemed huge until the day I visited the port while one of the Nimitz carriers was in port at the next berth. Holy sense of perspective, Batman!
Also: Launching planes from a ship is easy, all you need is enough airflow over the wings. If all else fails, try launching the planes upwind into a typhoon.
JATO rocket takeoffs! ![[lol]](https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/lol2v12_4863.png "[lol]"){kind=small}
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Fun fact, IJA carrier operations actually did that.
At least I know the Shokaku varriants and armored Shokaku varrients were equiped with RATO bottles.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Several nations used RATO take off including some of the US torpedo bombers. Some of the multi-engine bombers with extra heavy loads and not enough runway or to save fuel would push off with them.
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Its just I had always thought of RATO as more of a cold-war era thing, so it was quite suprising to learn that the Armored Shokaku Varriants (Taihou and her planed decendants) were suposed to be fitted with catapults.... but due to material shortage she got the RATO systems the Shokaku class had.
I didn't know the US used them too at the time.
This kind of reminds me, apparently the US Navy didn't initially realize how fast or long-ranged the Long Lance was and thought that the IJN had really good submarine-surface coordination because that was the only way they could think of that they were getting torpedoed when the Japanese submarines and cruisers were supposedly beyond torpedo range.
^ Or in some cases of extreme range the US Navy thought they hit mines.
I hear so many stories of the US Navy underestimating IJN ranges....
Weather from torpedoes, to apperntly thinking there were island airbases closer then there were because they didn't believe the zero had a range in the thousands of kilometers.
Range is kind of an important design point when you plan to operate so far away from home.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Immy: I was surprised a bit at first as well. But apparently, the who RATO for short runways or overloaded craft take off has been around since WWII.
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IIRC that assumption was usually based off the fact that Imperial Japan’s technological base was pretty lacking. They were known to not have access to many cutting-edge technologies, though they did have clever workarounds to compensate for that which is where they were often underestimated.
They should have sent a poet.
Night Clerk of the Apacalypse.
Immy: Ok I found the details. For the US it was more of an end war thing. I found a training vid for it though.
>Fair Fight
>Carrier Battle-group against WWII
Yea no not in the slightest, nothing can even get close, and the only way to do any damage would be to throw things at them until they ran out of ammunition.
and were much louder then modern subs.
Only thing I can see is the sea-mines, and even then it would take realizing just how outmatched they are in the first place.
Basically this whole thing just boils down to the fact that range reigns supreme, and literally nothing in WWII can approach fighting range against modern hardware baring throwing men at it until it runs out of ammo.
You could acomplish the same thing with the SDF against the WWII USN if you want a way it would be viable Tom.