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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42726: May 27th 2020 at 7:01:09 PM

Wasn't there something about how Shoto wasn't originally supposed to be as prominent as he's actually become? I feel like that was a thing that's been mentioned before. Stuff like that just happens sometimes.

Anyway, I'm curious when AFO actually transferred the Quirk to Tomura. Because he's missing a certain feature that I think is supposed to be connected to AFO (Quirk), but I don't think most people have taken notice of.

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#42727: May 27th 2020 at 7:10:26 PM

I think I was the one who said that, and it was only speculation. Mostly because Shoto, compared to Bakugo and All Might, isn't as connected to Deku. Him being a major character wouldn't make much sense. That said, Shoto and Endeavor exploding in popularity probably prompted Hori to give them much more focus and giving them their own B plot.

And what feature is that?

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vicarious vicarious from NC, USA Since: Feb, 2013
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#42728: May 27th 2020 at 7:10:43 PM

A pathological need to steal Quirks or the connection to One for All?

LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42729: May 27th 2020 at 7:15:50 PM

No, I'm talking about an actual physical feature that AFO had, that I think is connected to AFO the Quirk. Three guesses to what it is.

ILikeRobots Aspirant Creativity Wizard from the worlds of my imagination Since: Aug, 2016 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#42730: May 27th 2020 at 7:19:50 PM

I can't think of anything. I was gonna guess AFO's white hair, but that's something Shigaraki already has, so that can't be it.

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#42731: May 27th 2020 at 7:25:46 PM

I think Shiggy Sr has tiny holes in his hands.

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#42732: May 27th 2020 at 7:25:51 PM

The harness?

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42733: May 27th 2020 at 7:27:31 PM

[up][up]Ding ding ding, you guessed right!

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#42734: May 27th 2020 at 7:31:13 PM

Huh...I never noticed any holes in AFO's hands before, so I Googled it, and apparently this is a pretty consistent thing.

That's an interesting detail, but the anime didn't depict them at all. Guess they didn't notice them either.

Waaaait. AFO's fondness for grabbing people's heads when he's taking or transferring powers makes a lot more sense all of a sudden.

[down] Check out my link, it's a compilation of a bunch of shots of AFO's hands from the manga.

Edited by ILikeRobots on May 27th 2020 at 7:38:01 AM

Adventurers: homeless people who steal from tombs and kill things.
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#42735: May 27th 2020 at 7:32:11 PM

Wait really? Any pics?

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#42736: May 27th 2020 at 7:55:37 PM

Huh so AFO is Jesus.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#42737: May 27th 2020 at 8:02:18 PM

If MHA were a Western I'd say this is a deliberate perversion of Christ imagery in order to highlight AFO status as a Anti-Christ figure and, specifically in relation to his relationship with Shiggy Jr, his status as a false saviour, someone who seems to be there to save him and give him porpuse but instead is leading him into a path of further damnation.

But this is a Japanese comic, so this very clearly is just pointing out how he "sucks" Quirks out of people, which might or might not double as a self-pleasuring toy on lonely Saturday nights.

Regardless, I prefer to imagine he make vacuum cleaner sounds when he uses it.

devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#42738: May 28th 2020 at 12:11:36 AM

Considering both the nature of Heroes Rising and the fact that the manga would only run 20 (later 30) volumes, i think it's pretty clear that the Todoroki subplot has evolved considerably in importance, and Shoto is being integrated into the Izuku-Bakugo storyline more.

I would also say that Ida and Ochako are out of focus more due to the way they are written, rather than actual screen time. In terms of screentime, it's not like there is a huge imbalance, but rather than the impact of that time is wildly different. Someone did the math and concluded that Bakugo's screentime efficiency (poll number divided by panel time) is by far the highest.

Essentially, it's clear that Ida and Ochako are part of his friend group and they support and help each other. It just has not been the major focus of an arc, with Horikoshi going the more subtle culture-festival route. Stuff like Izuku and Ochako giving each other Christmas gifts.

WashTheLaundryHero Since: Jun, 2019
#42739: May 28th 2020 at 3:03:25 AM

[up][up]The doctor compared Af O's smile to a Buddha a few chapters ago, so I think the stigmata are probably also there to reinforce his Dark Messiah schtick. Just look at his body language in Shigaraki's mental landscape.

Edited by WashTheLaundryHero on May 28th 2020 at 3:07:23 AM

OmegaRadiance Since: Jun, 2011
#42740: May 28th 2020 at 3:06:45 AM

There's some pretty obscure theories Maitreya Boddhisattva might be the Antichrist.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
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#42741: May 28th 2020 at 3:11:55 AM

That’s insane.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#42742: May 28th 2020 at 5:21:03 AM

Xavier once did compare one of the Buddhas to God, if I remember correctly.

That might've stuck and gave rise to [up][up].

Comun Since: Jun, 2012
#42743: May 28th 2020 at 10:14:08 AM

I know this thread tends to get heated up whenever Linkspooky's analysises are linked here, but I think this new one is worth posting here since it only tangentially touches the usual problem topics and comments on a lot I still haven't considered before, like arc parallels and the old generation vs new generation dichotomy.

IniuriaTalis Since: Oct, 2014
#42744: May 28th 2020 at 10:45:36 AM

The new vs. old generation and save vs. win dynamic are interesting, but as always it falls apart when they try to argue that a 20-year-old serial killer/terrorist is the exact same as a 5-year-old prisoner, and it's wrong that they want to stop him.

SalFishFin Since: Jan, 2001
#42745: May 28th 2020 at 11:14:10 AM

However, the heroes actions in not saving Shigaraki convince him he’s only capable of destruction.

This is hilarious because

  1. : Shigaraki's heart had stopped. It wouldn't have been "saving" anybody it would have been recovering a corpse.
  2. : The sheer idealism of thinking that Shigaraki would have done anything but dust everything no matter which heroes were around or how they were treating him
  3. : Even if we want to play devil's advocate abd say that the previous option would have prevented the cataclysm, a Double Tap would have accomplished the same thing, under technicality.

devak They call me.... Prophet Since: Jul, 2019 Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
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#42746: May 28th 2020 at 11:18:50 AM

Also it's AFO's machinations that make Tomura believe he's capable of nothing but destruction, not the heroes.

Sorry but Linkspooky just has hilariously bad faith metas

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#42747: May 28th 2020 at 12:13:59 PM

I thought the japanese really loved their christian imagery?

But more in a "It just looks really cool" sense, rather than because they believe in it.

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HailMuffins Since: May, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
#42748: May 28th 2020 at 12:18:57 PM

Sort of?

I mean, it's more that they pick the imagery from Western cultural products without knowing the background of it, much like we do with theirs, mostly because it looks cool and exotic.

Despite what all the pundits over the internet says, all the crosses and religious symbolism in Evangelion was added for no reason other than because the production team thought it looks cool.

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#42749: May 28th 2020 at 12:39:07 PM

Christians were actually persecuted for awhile in Japan during the Tokugawa Era, which lead to Amakusa Shiro leading the Shimabara Rebellion. Even today, the Japanese Christian population is rather small. Ibara is actually an oddity in that sense since she is a Japanese Christian, and a rather devout one at that.

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LSBK Since: Sep, 2014
#42750: May 28th 2020 at 12:54:27 PM

I’d also like to point out the parallels between Eri and Shigaraki. Eri was left to suffer longer due to strategy. Something that always rubbed me the wrong way about that arc is that besides Mirio and Deku, everyone’s so desperately trying to save her because they knew that was Chisaki’s trump card. Eri’s power is as potentially as destructive as Shigaraki, but she was “lucky” Chisaki was making enough waves for the heroes to notice.

1) Are the parallels between Eri and Shigaraki not obvious? That's actually one of the reasons I don't like the "AFO gave Shigaraki his Quirk" theories, because I actually think something is going to come between the similarities between the two of them, but it's weakened if they aren't both actual random mutatations.

2) I still find myself not as compelled by the "saving her then vs. waiting" dilemma, at least on Izuku's part because I have no actual reason to think he'd have accomplished anything other than getting himself killed. It's more compelling from Mirio's perspective, but he also had Izuku's safety to worry about.

3) How is this person rubbed the wrong way by something that didn't even happen? Because I think it was made fairly apparent that every hero who was featured even somewhat prominently in the whole situation was more motivated by the fact that a child was being hurt than because she was the key to Chisaki's plan. Linkspooty didn't make that post, to be fair, but they agree with the sentiment, which kind of works as a microcosm of the issues with their takes on things.

Edited by LSBK on May 28th 2020 at 3:00:03 AM


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