DC Comics Series Lucifer

Who was the angel at the beginning? I didn't catch his name.

It was Amenadiel.

I'm kinda sad Lucifer isn't bi. He seems like the type of Lucifer depiction that would be

edited 25th Jan '16 6:41:07 PM by Sisi

Do we know he isn't? I haven't seen any indication one way or the other.

He seems to focus on women. Haven't seen him do any sexy desire stuff with dudes yet.

edited 25th Jan '16 6:45:38 PM by Sisi

Only the first episode.

True, true.

I wouldn't be surprised if he could choose. "I feel like being straight today, so only women will be attracted to me. I'll be gay tomorrow." "You know that's not what those words mean, right?" "They're your labels. I just do what I like."

The lead has the charisma of a paddock, sidekick is the factory standard generic attractive female detective, the case was bare bones and not interesting (granted, a pilot so it had to take a back seat to the character introductions) and the whole thing wears this veneer of cheapness. Shame, I wanted to like this and some of the one-liners might have worked if the delivery was different.

It's not like I haven't liked other series with the same formula, so it wasn't out of the door from the get go and I was fully prepared to take this as a separate entity from the comic, so I don't feel like I'm being unfair either. So that's two out of two on TV adaptations of good comics being bland/boring. Not surprised, just sad.

I actually really liked Lucifer. I thought he was pretty darn charismatic.

Than again, I'm also watching Reaper, where Ray Wise plays the Lord of Hell like a shitbag lawyer (and it works).

Maybe I just need to get over the non-novelty of sexy Lucifer XD

I thought the episode was quite well put together, especially compared to the first outings of all the other comic book shows out there. The humor was quite good. I always enjoy people being forced to be blatantly honest. And the whole thing had a level of polish that similar shows often lack.

Watched the first episode.

Wow.

It's amazing how creators can take such a ridiculously awesome premise...and make such a generic "a man with extraordinary talent fight crime" pilot. I expected things to get more spicey. Also, seriously? Female lead (I can't even remember her name) is interesting? Because outside of the fact that she did amateur porn back in the days, she sounds painfully boring.

At least, that's the impression I got from the pilot. I do find Lucifer to be interesting enough and the possibility of him getting into a war has my interest. I will keep watching, but not off to a good start.

Although I did like the pilot, I do have to admit that it's very much like Castle + Satan. It's "quirky dude meets no-nonsense female cop and decides to fight crime."

The moments when it's not that are intriguing - the appearances of Amanadiel, Lucifer just being blase about who he is, flipping his eyes red at the bully. But when it's just "they fight crime," it's boring.

I so wish that they had tried to do a straight up adaptation of the Lucifer comic book, because it was just so good. "A message written in blood. Everyone involved in this drama seems compelled to overact."

I'm willing to overlook the generic as fuck pilot and give the second episode a chance to save the show for me.

Lucifer is hilarious. I love it. This is just so weird! It had me with the opening scene.

Fundy and Moral Guardian heads are going to explode.

I might tune in and see what's goin' on.

I've been a Christian for over 20 years, and frankly? When I first watched the trailer for this series, I thought it was one of the coolest goddamn idea ever. When I watched the show proper, my complaint wasn't the fact that it glorified Satan, but rather than he wasn't as powerful or manipulative as I hoped he would be.

I mean, come on, he's immortal, would it have hurt to have him just walk through like a dozen guys firing at him at the same time, or have a bunch of criminals turn against each other in a violent, bloody mess?

edited 28th Jan '16 6:36:51 PM by dRoy

Well, One Million Moms is already boycotting Olive Garden because of it. So that's...something?

It's also funny, because OMM has, like, significantly less than one million members.

When they started that petition, someone mentioned they had 50,000. Olive Garden will miss them.

Agreed, I've been kind of silent because I didn't know the overall opinion other peeps have.

edited 29th Jan '16 6:35:30 AM by yellowturtle

I wonder if Neil Gaiman would give permission for the Endless to appear in this series.

Probably not, since they are trying to make a Sandman film at the moment.

I still hate that stupid embargo. It's not impossible to have characters in multiple properties at the same time.

I mean, the Endless have never been used on television, cartoons or live-action, so it's not really a big loss. It's not like the Bat-Embargo or something like that.

I'm sure the show could introduce its own version of Death and so on. Right now, I just want to see if it can successfully adapt the Lucifer mythology.

It's actually kind of rare when a creator at DC or Marvel gets that kind of respect in regards to what they made.

Well, he's Neil Gaiman. Most other comic writers don't really have the kind of backing the Gaiman does. And DC still wants Gaiman to write for them, so they try to get permission before using characters he created.

Now, I said characters he created, not those he used: since Destiny pre-dates Sandman, they used him a lot in Mark Waid's Brave and the Bold without Gaiman's permission and it was perfectly fine. But when Paul Cornell wanted to use Death in Adventure Comics, he asked Neil beforehand (there was one moment when a writer didn't and used her in Captain Atom and Gaiman got confused about Death's portrayal, since she was only called an aspect of Death, "death as mercy, as compassion", so Gaiman then wrote an issue where she said that she was all deaths everywhere: "I'm not blessed or merciful. I'm just me. I've got a job to do and I do it.Listen: even as we're talking, I'm there for old and young, innocent and guilty, those who die together and those who die alone. I'm in cars and boats and planes, in hospitals and forests and abattoirs. For some folks death is a release and for others death is an abomination, a terrible thing. But in the end, I'm there for all of them.")

edited 31st Jan '16 3:31:53 PM by alliterator