DC Comic's "Titans"

Apparently, Titans (2018) will be on all international versions of Netflix on January 11, 2019.

...So it's coming everywhere except on Netflix USA. Americans can only see it on the DC Universe service.

Nuts.

Yeah. Still not getting DC Universe. I might get it when Doom Patrol comes out, but I'm really leaning against it.

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I’m still hoping for DC Universe to tank for that reason, not out of any exceptional malice or hatred for the programs, but we have too many damn on demand services and 2019 will hopefully be the year some of the more extraneous ones (like CBS All Access) shut their doors and limit the endless dividing of IP’s.

I got DC Universe to see Titans and it's actually not that bad. It's better than CBS All Access, which crashes every single time I try to use it, so I can't even watch Star Trek: Discovery.

In any case, Titans also isn't the only show I like to watch on the service — it also has Young Justice, Batman: The Brave and the Bold, and all of the DCAU cartoons, which is pretty awesome.

Titans had an excellent cast, good production values, and got used very heavily to test the waters for which characters should have their own series. To the point where that derailed their own plot more than a bit - So many of its episodes were basically backdoor pilots.

Christ was that a confusing season. I liked the way it started.

I liked the set-up of the first 2-3 episodes, but the show nose-dived in it's second half.

Edited by Soble on Dec 29th 2018 at 8:21:59 AM

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The reason for this, apparently, is that episode 11 was not supposed to be the finale. Episode 12, "Raven," was supposed to be the finale, but for some reason, they decided that it would work better as Season 2's premiere — perhaps they couldn't finish it in time or perhaps they felt that a cliffhanger ending worked better for Season 1, I don't know. But it's certainly not the first time a season of television has ended with a cliffhanger.

To be fair, this was an illusion created by Trigon in an attempt to manipulate Dick. It didn't have to be realistic.

Why not? It makes things a bit more seamless — now, she isn't just on Earth for various "reasons," but rather to kill Rachel, which explains why she gets involved in the first place. Otherwise, how would she be able to get involved?

Aside from skin color, he looks pretty much exactly like Beast Boy to me.

I'd rather have Seamus Deaver than some CGI monstrosity anyday. Deaver's evil acting was top notch.

If by "murderous psycopath" you mean only kills people trying to kill her and her friends.

[quoteblock]]So Garth only gets to be a tiger. [[/quoteblock]]

They all but stated he can do more.

That's more in line with who they are. They're less superheroes and more social outcast support group.

Numerous comics treat it this way. Also, in Young Justice, Diana admonishes Bruce for turning Robin into him.

With the exception of the fur coat yes.

This change is a reference to when a Trigon-possessed Raven destroyed Kory's home planet.

Maybe during the Morrison years, but more often than not, they're a bonafide Superhero team.

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Have you read the original Arnold Drake/Bruno Premiani run? Half of the time, they were fighting aliens or the Animal-Vegetable-Mineral Man or the Brotherhood of Evil and the other half, they were a support group of "freaks." They were always like that.

(When Paul Kupperberg brought them back in the '80s, he tried to make them more X-Men-like, but nobody really cared until Morrison took over.)

It's the most jarring cliffhanger I've seen this year.

Well that was a slow burn then. But why does Trigon even need to do any of that?

Crashes on earth, makes a life for herself, happens to be the protector Rachel needs when she's being hunted, sticks around because Rachel/Garth/Dick are good people, wigs out when Rachel uses her powers on her.

I'd sooner believe they just wanted to get rid of the enslavement part of her origin story than they absolutely needed to come up with a reason for Kori to be there.

AFAIK The Titans didn't get together because they were intrinsically involved with each others' lives. Teen Titans 03 just had them all respond to the same crisis, similar to how the Justice League formed after the core members responded to some alien invasion.

I'm going to have to agree to disagree.

The cops on the train?

I still only saw a tiger.

Which, glass half empty, sounds like a convenient narrative restriction that lets them cut down on special effects costs.

First I've heard of it. But, then, I don't really read the comics.

Not calling you a liar, but apparently it was such an obscure reference or storyline that Wikipedia has no mention of it on the Tamaran article. And I checked DC's Wiki as well.

If the logic was to combine these storylines because a small amount of comic readers would get the connection, well, Starfire being there with amnesia and getting wrapped up in Dick and Rachel's quest would have been a lot simpler if you ask me.

Edited by Soble on Dec 29th 2018 at 3:37:55 AM

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Yes, I did, and from what I remember they were mostly fighting other freaks. They didn't spend most of their time sitting in a circle and doing support group things. Though it has been a while (a reeeeeeeeeeally long while,) since I read it.

Edited by kkhohoho on Dec 29th 2018 at 5:31:43 AM

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Not stated to be dead.

It's the Titans' origin story. Gar is figuring out his powers.

The war Evil Raven starts is what ultimately destroys Tamaran.

How? At worst, it's a storyline most of the audience would be unfamiliar with, which applies to most comic storylines adapted for movies or t.v.

So is that just mandatory for this team's origin to happen? Because it feels mighty convenient when everybody else besides Rachel more or less has a grip on their role/powers.

She hit them with what is essentially a flamethrower.

But fine, not a murderous psychopath. But it feels like we got a huge jump from her being an amnesiac criminal who breaks into police stations, to being a caring emotional guru for the rest of the team who makes jokes about Gar wanting to make out with Rachel.

A show like this, which is already starting fires because of its differences, deciding to merge two storylines "because it brings Kory into the story" is not what I'd call practical.

It's like if the DCU responded to criticism of its movies being too dark and edgy by making a TV series that is extremely dark and edg...

Edited by Soble on Dec 29th 2018 at 5:01:56 AM

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Its Gar not Garth

Garth = Aqualad/Tempest

Gar is shorthand = Garfield = Beast Boys name 'Don't worry even DC does it'

Hawk and Dove is clearly an attempt to revamp them as a vigilante couple focusing more on their Dynamic as a Couple whether you see the relationship as Toxic, or just cheap Tumblr fodder 'Geoff has been trying to turn them into an overt couple for a while now'

Hawk and Dove originally was two opposite meant to learn from each other and balance each other out.

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But that's not the story the writers wanted to tell. You appear to want a completely different story with completely different characters. In which case, I would recommend reading the comics.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 30th 2018 at 1:55:07 AM

Dick doesn't have any powers and Kory is suffering from amnesia. It isn't mandatory that Gar not know his full powers yet but it's still a valid choice.

We never see the blast actually touch the cops, just destroy a part of the train.

It's an adaptation of a popular comic property that is notably different from it's predecessor. Of course it's going to get push back for being different. It happened with the Amazing Spider-Man movies, it's been happening to every DC animated show or movie since the DCAU ended. There is nothing about this storytelling choice that is impractical from an objective standpoint.

Sure, let's ignore that between Aquaman, Wonder Woman, Shazam, Justice League and most of the CW shows, there is more than enough light hearted DC content to satisfy those who don't like this show's tone.

Edited by windleopard on Dec 30th 2018 at 4:10:41 AM

Damn it, Aqualad = Garth. Garfield = Gar, yes. [facepalm]

I don't really see wanting to tell a different story as a good defense against criticism. I could very well want to tell a different story and still make unpopular narrative decisions.

I like Batman vs Superman but I'm not going to tell anyone who thinks that

• Batman shouldn't kill people
• Superman should be cheerier
• Doomsday shouldn't have had laser vision/been Luthor's science experiment

That "the writers wanted to tell a different story" and that they should read the comics instead. Those were all contentious, risky changes for the sake of telling a different story. It's not the viewer's fault for disliking them.

It's the same as all of the changes Teen Titans 03 made, which I liked, but I reluctantly accept why people who read the comics and wanted to see that brought to life didn't.

Edited by Soble on Dec 30th 2018 at 6:36:18 AM

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But there are valid criticisms ("This was boring/badly written/badly directed") and criticisms that are, well, petty ("Why is Starfire's storyline connected to Raven's and not completely separate?").

The answer to that question is "Because the writers wanted to make her storyline connected to Raven. It connected the characters together in a more seamless way, allowing Kori to go and find Rachel, rather than just randomly running into her."

Because this isn't a criticism of the acting or directing or writing, it's a criticism of the plot itself. Which is silly. It's like saying "I didn't enjoy Iron Man 2 because I wanted it to be 'Demon in a Bottle'" or "I didn't like Batman v Superman because that's not how Batman and Superman should have met."

None of those things you listed would change the fundamental plot of BVS. Your complaint about Starfire would change the fundamental plot of Titans. Kori's entire storyline is about her regaining her memories of her mission, which was being sent to Earth to kill Rachel. You basically want to erase her entire plot from the show.

Edited by alliterator on Dec 30th 2018 at 11:00:56 AM

My phone just said Titans was coming to Netflix on January 11th...then it remembered “lol nope you live in the US, buy DC Universe!”

And this is why DC Universe has to die. It’s not even shade on the productions, it’s just that the world really needs some of these start up on demand services to tank and reduce the division of media.

Edited by Beatman1 on Jan 8th 2019 at 11:37:00 AM

But if DC Universe dies, so, too, does Titans and Doom Patrol and all the other original shows. The only reason Netflix is getting the show outside the US is because the show is already made. Without DC Universe, no show.

We have too many On Demand channels as it is, and I’m hoping 2019 is the year a few of the more extraneous ones close their doors.

Mostly though I’m mad at Netflix for teasing me like that.

I wouldn't mind losing DC Universe, but not before Young Justice: Outsiders is over.

No offense Beatman but your constant pleading for it to die makes me in return wish for it’s eternal survival.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."

Anyone know what the viewership numbers are for this show?