General Politics Thread

>How it feels.to be in the side responsable of almost every single issue

I get they feeling they would ask you the same question.

It feels like loyalty to your country, your religion, and your family.

Dunno, there no way that you can argue that socialists are ruining the modern world. Most of the common complains of modern era are against Right Wingers. Especially from minorities, who have good reasons to be angry.

I want to believe that there something good in the Right, but I need to identify it. The opossition to the dumbest elements of the Left? That's not a virtue for itself, lacks any worth after it's duty is done and then it shift to acussing every altruist policy of being Communist.

I'm well aware of Left wing crimes and we need to talk about them more...but first we need to identity right wing virtues if we don't wanna come off as idiots.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:01:52 AM

You wont, because you don't share their assumptions or world view. For the most part, people agree on the basic facts, they disagree on which ones are important, and why.

The values people see in the right have been identified for you hundreds of times on this forum. I doubt identifying them again will make much difference.

For what it’s worth, believing one side has all the answers is how we’re in the mess we’re in here in the US.

Well personally-growing up as a rightist in a rather left-leaning community, I've generally felt like I was The Only Sane Man for the most part. I think that's actually how a lot of rightists feel in general at the moment, and it's made many of them extremely bitter.

Well, I guess I can wait for the next big Left Wing fuckup. It would be a interesting situation

The Maduro problem is close, but is in a Global South country so at a international level, especially in developed countries, nobody outside it will care, especially how every Leftist already applied the Not Real Leftist treatment. I guess that's the only reasonable response when your ideology defines itself as inherently good.

In a related deal, how do you feel about the Global Shift to the Right?

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 22nd 2019 at 9:30:24 AM

It sucks. But it will all shift back eventually.

the next Global Shift to.the Left manages to be even worse for the world

Fortunately, that's unlikely. Right?

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 23rd 2019 at 12:09:29 PM

... I have no idea what’s happening but this conversation seems highly questionable and off topic.

We're talking about politics thought

What specifically about politics though?

I'm questioning if Right wing politics have value. That's all.

I'm pretty curious about it because I live on a country where our former millitar Left Wing dictator is considered one of our best rulers except for the most bigoted Right wingers.

Given how many peopke rightuflly hate Right wing dictatorships, especially millitary ones, I'm always a bit confused with my own history. This means that a Leftist dictatorship is good or that at least, they are better?

I'm aware of.Left wing dictatorships, but no one discusses them anymore. Our American and Brazilians tropes are (understandably) more worried about the idea of a Right wing dictatorship.

Add that I rarely heard nice things of Right wingers in democracy and you get a lot of doubts that I wanna answered.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 23rd 2019 at 12:08:25 PM

No, you questioned if a shift to Left Wing politics would be worse for the world. Which is ludicrous.

I forgot putting the Joking Mode tag.

Doing a joke about a hypothetical left wing horror and then acknowledging that is unlikely is bad?

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 23rd 2019 at 12:11:07 PM

There’s a very simple answer to this question, which is yes.

There are things that don’t have value, bigotry, ultranationalism, anti-intellectualism and the like. Those aren’t specific to the right or the left though, they can (and have) affected every part of the political spectrum.

Except you didn't use the joking tag originally. As far as I could tell, you were 100℅ serious.

Edited by kkhohoho on Feb 23rd 2019 at 11:19:26 AM

In any case, authoritarianism is a threat to everyone's freedom, regardless of left or right. You cant package everything in terms of political alliances.

>I'm questioning if Right wing politics have value.

So first we need to identify what we mean by this, but using Wikipedia as a guide, I'd say that structure and order are two huge virtues. While it is true that some structures in the past and present have problems, it's not inherent to structure it's self. Society needs structure and order to grow. Throwing out tradition because it's tradition is misguided at best and actively harmful at worst. Right wing politics is going to be opposed to change for it's own sake because the systems that we have have proved themselves to work.

Ultimately, right wing politics is never going away because it is the order half of the order vs chaos spectrum. You can divide a line in half as many times as you like, but you will always have a left and right end of the line.

Its a yin/yang kind of thing. All humans need social structure, or they suffer from anomie and tend to behave in chaotic, destructive ways. Yet any social institution that could be designed or implemented within society will be inadequite for meeting the needs of all it's members, and even worse, will always be vulnerable to abuse by more powerful, better connected members of that society. Hence the need for constant improvement and progress, which is resisted by those who value the structure and ties to tradition.

I think Leftists regimes, both democratic and authortiarians, can avoid anarchy pretty well.

I just wanna hear about a Right wing regime whose right wing ideas are considered its main virtue. That's all. Like how countries as Rojava or many of the Nordic countires are considered.

I know Singapore used to be considered that one "Utopia right winger country", but as time goes, everyone is admitting how damn flawed it is.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 23rd 2019 at 10:36:08 AM

Uh, the US?

Your question appears to be deliberately designed to not receive a positive answer. If you can’t overcome your own bias there can’t be any conversation on the topic.

I really want to overcome my bias. I really want to do it because damn that there elements of the Left that make me unable to fully identify with them.

USA is a sucessful right wing nation, but everyone is constantly criticizing it with valid reasons on this very forum and calling out in how badly needs a Left wing swing.

Trust me. I want to.work with reasonably Right and Left.wingers in order to preserve democracy and try to better the world. I really do

Now, i think there chances to improve the Right and made new workable ideologies after the Epic Fail of Neo-conservatism and the shame that is the rise of ethnonationalism. I wanna see what can be created to redeem the right wing at the eyes of the Left wing and finally be able to work together, without any Cold War like resentments.

Yeah, call me a centrist, even if the term.had lose all it's respectability during the 2016 election.

Edited by KazuyaProta on Feb 23rd 2019 at 11:01:03 AM

This is not the best forum for seeing the good in the right wing. I'm pretty far right for this forum, but I'm solidly libertarian. I've found the best way to figure out people you disagree with is to look at the world from their point of view and not judge their point of view while doing it. Try and figure why a smart sane good person would believe/do what they are believing/doing. Put yourself in their shoes. We're all interested in fiction here, part of writing good fiction is doing exactly that.

A actual Libertarian here? That's pretty curious yet IMO welcome.

Yeah, I should try to think more about other's POV-s.

I would be glad to discuss with other center-right types about what right wing ideologies they like.