DC Comics General

That flag appears to be brown and white while the straight flag is black and white.

If it's not the straight flag, then what is it actually supposed to be?

I checked it out, here there's at least 23 pride flags

And none of them have that specific combination of brown and white.

So either its a made-up combination or the brown is a washed out black.

Also the origins of the straight flag is pretty fucked up as expected, it was created to mock pride flags in general.

Edited by slimcoder on Jun 8th 2022 at 11:25:31 AM

I want to believe that whoever drew that was unaware of the implications and was just trying to be inclusive.

The story is written by Devin Grayson, an infamously maligned writer who among other things had Nightwing raped by Tarantula and then tried to justify it saying it was just "non-consensual sex".......

Also that cape is getting absolutely shredded online, especially by queer people. It doesn't matter what the intentions are, it looks absolutely tacky and hideous.

That's the guy who wrote that story? Yeesh. But he wouldn't have drawn the cape, right? Unless he specifically asked the artist to put it in.

Yeah the artist would be Nick Robles, hopefully it is a case of unawareness.

It should be noted that every creator in the book is queer.

"She." Devin Grayson is a woman.

Devin Grayson has written some good Batman stories (including a terrific Hugo Strange tale), I enjoyed some of her Nightwing run (not that story, obviously) and while her Titans run has never been reprinted, it's generally liked by people who have read it. (It's also what got Lewis Lovhaug interested in comics, for what that's worth). There's more to her than her worst bits.

Devin Grayson is a fine writer in general, but the incident with Tarantula is a serious low point (as perfect an example of Double Standard:Rape, Female on Male as you're likely to find). I've actually read her stuff since before she was a professional, and the Tarantula thing shows a blind spot that goes all the way back to her amateur work. Still, that was a long time ago and I expect she's learned from all the criticism she's gotten over it.

I'd say though that she might be a little too fond of Nightwing to write him effectively. He comes off a bit like a Mary Sue in her hands. I've read other things by her that I think are great, but I remain mostly ambivalent about her run on Nightwing.

Yeah, that goes back to her amateur days, too.

Edited by Robbery on Jun 9th 2022 at 4:51:38 AM

I did find this post delving into Grayson's Nightwing stuff.

She also ships Dick with Bruce bizarrely enough.

Frederic Wertham would have a field day with this. Why does anyone want to ship Bruce with his son? EDIT: I just read the tumblr post you linked to, and wow. I had no idea.

Edited by StarformDCX on Jun 9th 2022 at 9:06:17 AM

I'd rather not even think of why, honestly. It feels like they took all those off-color comments from back in the day seriously.

Yeah best not to think about it, its weird in general.

On to some positive news

Actor Bruce Campbell to pen ‘DC Horror Presents: Sgt. Rock vs. The Army of the Dead’!

Groovy

Grayson was also the one who retconned Dick into being Romani. While some fans don't mind the retcon in and of itself, some have criticized Grayson's portrayal of Romani culture for being inaccurate and racist.

Interesting. Has Campbell ever been in a DC adaptation?

Edited by windleopard on Jun 9th 2022 at 6:37:45 PM

Yeah, she once did a couple of stories where a guy who was a walking pile of Romani stereotypes showed up and tried to pass himself off as Dick's long-lost grandfather. Not a good look. She portrayed Romani like a fantasy D&D race rather than an actual ethnic group.

I'll say that making a mental leap from a parent-child relationship (or even a mentor-student relationship) to a lover relationship because you're confused about your official legal status seems...weird. I don't think that's a route most people would take, regardless of their sexuality.

Edited by Robbery on Jun 10th 2022 at 9:18:12 AM

Though, Dick's supposed have been, what? Twelve or so when Bruce took him in? If you're already in puberty when you're adopted, I can see that creating a different dynamic than if they raised you from an earlier age.

Like, if a twelve year old boy were taken in by, say, Black Canary, would anyone be surprised if he developed a crush on her?

I kind of feel like Dick works better as a younger brother figure; he and Bruce aren’t far enough apart in age to be father and son, I don’t think.

Tim and of course Damian are the sons.

I mean, I've always pictured Bruce in his late 30's/early 40's, so it works for me.

I don't think so, which makes this all the more surprising.

Great that Sgt. Rock is getting a new comic, always great when we get a new not-Batman title.

Dick's age when he became Robin has gone up and down over the years. Originally, he was eight, but they've aged him up over the years for various regions.

Yep, Dick's Golden Age origin has him battling the gangsters who murdered his parents at the tender age of eight!

His age isn't actually specified in the very first story he appears in (I don't think), though he looks like he might be about 10 or so. Later sources put him at 8, and still later sources made him older than that. In the Young Justice animated series, I think he starts off as 13, and already at that age pretty experienced as Robin (he's supposed to be the youngest on the team, but the most experienced hero); I think DC's official word on it right now is he became Robin at 15.

Edited by Robbery on Jun 10th 2022 at 2:18:56 AM

I've gotten the impression that DC wants to make all their original/main superheroes start their career around the same time, but at the same time this conflicts with their desire for Batman to have a longer history

The New 52 was a real mess in many ways, especially with how they dealt with both Batman and GL, really.

Edited by Blueace on Jun 10th 2022 at 9:19:42 AM