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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#11951: Oct 28th 2019 at 10:51:11 AM

The Dark Knights were just the start.

The rest of the nightmare comes.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#11952: Oct 28th 2019 at 10:56:26 AM

Wonder what the Dark Multiverse has for Diana or Arthur.

Wake me up at your own risk.
PennyDreadful Since: May, 2010
#11953: Oct 28th 2019 at 11:42:37 AM

[up]Is this a mini or an ongoing?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#11956: Oct 28th 2019 at 5:40:19 PM

they are one shot what ifs but it seems that its tieing into the beginnings of the super crisis that will lead to 5g

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11957: Oct 28th 2019 at 8:41:40 PM

It's interesting that they are doing this so in order to, basically, "catch up" and have more time to make the comics. Like Saga going on a break for a few months so that the artist can draw six more issues.

What is weird is that I can see DC making this an annual event: a two-month break for them to catch up and also put out a series of two-part books tied into a weekly crossover event. It could get tedious after a while, but if the crossover and tie-ins are interesting (like the Convergence main book was bland, but the tie-ins were amazing), it could be a good thing.

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#11958: Oct 30th 2019 at 5:18:04 AM

A few editorial shake-ups at DC

-Ben Abernathy replaces Jaime Rich as Batman Group Editor

-Jaime Rich becomes Superman Group Editor

-Alex Carr becomes DCU Group Editor

-Bryan Cunningham becomes Senior Story Editor

DragonKent17 The Game Master from The City of Angels Since: Feb, 2017 Relationship Status: Baby don't hurt me!
The Game Master
#11959: Oct 30th 2019 at 2:14:07 PM

And Didio still employed. Change the other editors all you want. Nothing is changing until he is gone for the better.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#11960: Oct 30th 2019 at 2:15:37 PM

It's not like he got the job to make fanboys miserable.

PennyDreadful Since: May, 2010
#11961: Oct 31st 2019 at 6:32:46 AM

[up]How did he get the job anyway? He was a TV producer with no relevant comic book experience when he was hired for a top editorial position at the company. He has never seemed to be a good fit for DC.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#11962: Oct 31st 2019 at 7:15:06 PM

This article about the Dark Multiverse oneshots building up to an evil Justice League makes a lot of sense.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
FrozenWolf2 Since: Mar, 2013
#11963: Nov 2nd 2019 at 1:25:04 AM

Knightfall was alright but the ending soured it for me Saint Batman was a more interesting concept then yet another Evil Bruce Wayne

Death of Superman felt too compressed liked a cliff notes version of the story but it atleast stuck to its premise Lois in grief becomes the Eradicator and lashes out at a world that cost her Clark and Clark's resurrection only to be killed by Henshaw's kryptonite bomb felt like a wasted chance to show how far gone lois was

with Blackest Night up next I expect it to end with Sinestro being killed by Dove and Dawn turning into a crazed version of Unity/Extant with powers over life and death essentially mirroring Hank's descent into Extant

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#11964: Nov 2nd 2019 at 9:31:14 AM

[up] Speaking of Tales of the Dark Multiverse and Green Lantern, are they gonna do the Emerald Twilight story?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11965: Nov 2nd 2019 at 9:33:36 AM

Huh. I would love a Tales of the Dark Multiverse: Zero Hour, where we see what a Parallax-infected Hal would have made his new rebooted universe like.

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#11966: Nov 2nd 2019 at 1:23:00 PM

I don't think a single writer GETS Wonder Woman as absolutely as George PĂ©rez did during his run with her. And this is just from what I've seen in volume one. Holy shit. Absolutely Godlike.

My various fanfics.
Aleistar Since: Feb, 2018 Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
#11967: Nov 2nd 2019 at 2:47:57 PM

Related to [up], what are the "essential" Wonder Woman runs? There's obviously Perez, but what other writers "get" Diana?

kkhohoho Since: May, 2011
#11968: Nov 2nd 2019 at 3:01:20 PM

[up][up]I think I would've liked it more if they didn't have the Amazons raped and dragged around naked en masse (which was not in the myths, case you were wondering), but that's just me.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 2nd 2019 at 5:03:13 AM

SonOfSharknado Love is Love is Love Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: And they all lived happily ever after <3
Love is Love is Love
#11969: Nov 2nd 2019 at 3:44:49 PM

[up][up] The only one I can say with certainty is Rucka, both post-crisis and Rebirth. Do not, under any circumstances, read Wonder Woman: Earth One.

[up] I mean, yeah, not a great look. But in the grander scope of the story and how long these characters live, it's a pretty brief hardship. Plus, as terrible as it is, it still comes full circle at the end when Hippolyte and Heracles share one another's pain and Herc is able to realize just how horrible of a person he was. He's willing to die to hold up Themyscira and keep the Amazons from dying, and then he openly admits he was in the wrong and what he did was horrible, and begs for forgiveness.

That's why I love it so much. The importance of the themes like love, and compassion, and forgiveness, and really driving home how those things are integral to Diana, her character, and the Amazons as a whole, by bringing them up again and again, and reinforcing them within the narrative itself. It's not just window dressing to cover up a scene of Diana decapitating fifty centaurs in a row or whatever. They define who the Amazons are. It isn't just "Oh, Diana is a daughter of Zeus, so she's obviously super-badass" or "Oh, she's got Athena and Artemis, so she's wise and a great warrior and a hunter." The gifts of Aphrodite, Demeter, and Hestia are just as important to Diana and her triumphs, if not more. All of Diana's greatest triumphs, at least in book one, are victories won by her compassion.

And it's helped by those who are forgiven actually taking it to heart, and those who see Diana's forgiveness and kindness actually being changed by it. Otherwise, it just makes her and the Amazons look like rubes. Ares cries and admits defeat and surrenders, for God's sake. I mean, even Zeus and Heracles learned not to be assholes!

My various fanfics.
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#11970: Nov 2nd 2019 at 4:20:45 PM

it still comes full circle at the end when Hippolyte and Heracles share one another's pain and Herc is able to realize just how horrible of a person he was. He's willing to die to hold up Themyscira and keep the Amazons from dying, and then he openly admits he was in the wrong and what he did was horrible, and begs for forgiveness.

That is, until he becomes a dick again and essentially undoes all that, becoming a minor part of Diana's Rogues Gallery.

Hercules' redemption did not really stick at all.

One Strip! One Strip!
shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#11971: Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:20:51 PM

It's fairly clear PEREZ' intent was a redemption for Herc. Not his fault later writers undid it.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#11972: Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:32:49 PM

The cyclic nature of the Big Two really sours some great stories, doesn't it?

Wake me up at your own risk.
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#11973: Nov 2nd 2019 at 6:46:17 PM

[up]This is why I always preferred Marvel’s Hercules.

It’s amazing how Linkara’s rant about how writers don’t get Wonder Woman still rings true.

FrozenWolf2 Since: Mar, 2013
#11974: Nov 3rd 2019 at 12:44:29 AM

It is bizarre just how bad a hand Wonder Woman gotten in the post crisis era

Her spot on the trinity is largely honorary and well for optics since if we're being honest She's below Flash and Green Lantern

The slow degradation of the Amazons 'Where they were technologically advanced, like on par with Atlantis they are now largely sword, sandal and magic only.'

Steve Trevor is still largely undefined

Diana constantly suffering from Soft Reboots... and just genuinely keeps getting writers who don't give a shit or don't get the character... or if they do the audience basically zones out the moment they try to switch gears and course correct

Robinson can be a decent writer though I think he's past his prime/glory days but He pretty much mangled any potential with the Jason Storyline -Yet another Geoff Johns idea that died cause of Geoff's Attention Deficit... Ooh, Shiny! habit of setting up a million plot hooks but only really gonna follow two himself-

Robinson even admits he took the book as a favor

shanejayell Since: Jun, 2011
#11975: Nov 3rd 2019 at 1:12:38 AM

There's pretty much been just THREE really good writers post crisis: Perez, Rucka and Simone. You could MAYBE chuck Byrne in there, but his run was a mix of good ideas and awful execution.


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