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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11276: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:21:52 PM

I can't remember where I read this or if I'm butchering the truth, but there was this anecdote where after a creative panel the entire audience left, and that was the impetus for Rebirth.
See, this is my problem: DC Rebirth brought a lot of goodwill back to DC. It showed that, hey, they know that they messed up and now are trying to make things right! They brought us a married Lois and Clark, got Arthur and Mera engaged, and even brought back the original Wally West! Sure, the Doctor Manhattan thing was kind of weird, but fans could look past that if DC actually showed that they knew what they were doing.

And they did...for a little bit. That year after Rebirth had some great stories. And then...DC was like "But wait, where's all the misery?"

I still remember when Tom King announced that he was going to do a book called Sanctuary about a place where heroes with PTSD could go. And the book would actually be about PTSD and mental illness, rather than...whatever Heroes in Crisis was about.

I still think DC is doing some things right. Bring in Bendis was actually a good move and that, in turn, brought in KSD, Rucka, and Matt Fraction. The Wonder Comics and Justice League books are all pretty fun. Joshua Williamson is enjoying a long run on The Flash — and I've heard his current storyline, Flash: Year One is pretty damn good. Christopher Priest is still doing really well on Deathstroke, too.

But then they piss away a lot of the goodwill they've earned by doing things like making Heroes in Crisis a massive killfest and having Wally West be the cause and forcing editorial changes on books that don't need them. I don't want to read about "Ric Grayson." I don't want to read unending doom and gloom.

MorningStar1337 Like reflections in the glass! from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
Like reflections in the glass!
#11277: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:36:28 PM

Plus they are also still bringing back characters that were retconned out by the new 52 or rendered Out of Focus (Young Justice for starters).

That reminds me, How are the Terrifics doing? I'm wondering if the book was canceled or not.

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#11278: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:40:25 PM

You know like Heroes in Crisis. Everyone loved that.

Judging by the sales, apparently they did.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#11280: Jul 19th 2019 at 6:46:09 PM

It was called Crisis. Of course it sold well.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#11281: Jul 19th 2019 at 8:57:43 PM

https://io9.gizmodo.com/here-are-your-2019-eisner-awards-winners-1836392844

Tom King won an Eisner for best writer. Because life is pain and our existence is meaningless.

Eat at Arby's.

HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#11283: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:05:26 PM

Best Writer category. So Batman (eh why not), Mister Miracle (yay!) and Heroes in Crisis (angry moth noises)

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#11284: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:06:50 PM

I don't know if that was explicitly for Heroes in Crisis so much as a list of his work for DC.

I don't think he's undeserving, personally - I've heard good things about Mister Miracle, and while there's stuff to dislike about his Batman run, there's been plenty of good stuff too.

Edited by KarkatTheDalek on Jul 19th 2019 at 12:07:04 PM

Oh God! Natural light!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11286: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:26:28 PM

Best Writer category. So Batman (eh why not), Mister Miracle (yay!) and Heroes in Crisis (angry moth noises)
The nominations came out in April, which means that when he was nominated, only four issues of Heroes in Crisis had actually come out. And considering the other things he was nominated for was Batman (Best Continuing Series), Mister Miracle (Best Limited Series), and "The Talk of Saints" (Best Short Story), I really seems like he was being nominated for everything except HIC.

[up] God, I hope Immortal Hulk wins, it's such a good book and I want Marvel to take more risks like that one.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 19th 2019 at 9:27:01 AM

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#11287: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:33:16 PM

Aw man, Giant Days is one of the noms too. Tough choice...

Oh God! Natural light!
RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
Professional Complainer
#11288: Jul 19th 2019 at 9:50:58 PM

[up][up]Psh you think I have time to read articles when I'm trying to drop a scorching hot take?

puts on sunglasses and dabs

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#11289: Jul 19th 2019 at 11:17:42 PM

Judging by the sales, apparently they did.

From what I've been told, most of the hate is coming from online forums. Seems we're in the minority.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11290: Jul 20th 2019 at 1:52:00 AM

Eisner winners:

  • Best Short Story: “The Talk of the Saints,” by Tom King and Jason Fabok, in Swamp Thing Winter Special (DC)
  • Best Limited Series: Mister Miracle, by Tom King and Mitch Gerads (DC)
  • Best Writer: Tom King, Batman, Mister Miracle, Heroes in Crisis, Swamp Thing Winter Special (DC)
  • Best Penciller/Inker or Penciller/Inker Team: Mitch Gerads, Mister Miracle (DC)

So it looks like King/Gerads and Mister Miracle was the big winner. Also, Giant Days did win for Best Continuing Series.

KarkatTheDalek Not as angry as the name would suggest. from Somwhere in Time/Space Since: Mar, 2012 Relationship Status: You're a beautiful woman, probably
Not as angry as the name would suggest.
#11291: Jul 20th 2019 at 2:02:03 AM

Well, too bad for Immortal Hulk, but Giant Days is really good, so I can't fault it.

Oh God! Natural light!
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11292: Jul 20th 2019 at 2:02:40 AM

Neither can I, I love Giant Days.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#11293: Jul 20th 2019 at 7:14:17 AM

So, I know Young Justice is back, but what's going on with Teen Titans?

Last I recall, they were being run by Deathstroke? And the old Titans long since broke up again when DC had their usual Who Is Donna Troy? fight.

One Strip! One Strip!
FrozenWolf2 Since: Mar, 2013
#11294: Jul 20th 2019 at 10:16:59 AM

... Ummm

Deathstroke was involved...

Basically Damian had gone full totalitarian 'like his Father' Locking up the Criminals his team captured underneath their hideout 'with only Red Arrow/Emiko being aware'

Deathstroke was among them but Deathstroke being Deathstroke didn't stay jailed for long and found Damian's failsafe while also causing a mass breakout

The Terminus Agenda

Like his Father, Damian did something but then regretted it but instead of fixing the problem he left it going

Basically all those criminals who are trapped... can't leave cause the moment they exit the proximity of the Titans HQ... The Virus in thier blood will activate and Kill them like it starts counting down the moment they exit the door

Damian and the Team are able to contain and cure the other criminals. Slade mocks Damian for being like his Father, Amoral/Callous enough to start something but too Soft Hearted to finish it

The Two Fight with Slade trying to goad Damian into killing him so he can undo the damage Bruce has done... only for Emiko to 'kill' Slade with an Arrow through his eye 'Once again an Arrow character cleans up a Bat members bullshit'

Slade right now has been "confirmed" dead -as much as that means in comic books- with Rose running around as the new Deathstroke, Jericho furious that Emiko killed his father'Since Joey is the reason the teen titans caught Slade in the first place' and general Wilson family insanity

Right now Damian is on the shit list with the other Teen Titans but ummm Lobo's here to kill Crush so that takes priority

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#11295: Jul 20th 2019 at 10:55:14 AM

Man, they make it obvious that fan popularity is the only reason most superheroes trust Bats with anything sometimes.

Wake me up at your own risk.
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#11296: Jul 20th 2019 at 11:00:23 AM

Cass, Duke and Helena haven't done anything that goes too far. Ironically, the first and third are the ones that struggled the most to gain acceptance.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#11297: Jul 20th 2019 at 11:23:18 AM

Dammit Damian!

Quit being an ass already!

One Strip! One Strip!
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#11298: Jul 20th 2019 at 11:25:34 AM

When Slade Wilson seemz like the righteous part, you know the other person is really bad.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#11299: Jul 20th 2019 at 11:44:59 AM

I mean, Damian started off as legitimately killing criminals and only later regretted it, so this seems...pretty in character for him? Like, he no longer wants to kill them, but he wants to make sure they aren't a threat, so he imprisons them in a place he thinks is safer than Arkham. But that backfires, too.

...Also, I highly doubt Deathstroke is dead. Emiko has a habit to "killing" people and then later revealing they aren't dead (i.e. she did the same thing for Ollie).

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#11300: Jul 20th 2019 at 12:51:46 PM

Priest himself has stated he's under no delusion Slade will stay dead.


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