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just have it be a speed force demon was posessing him when he killed all those people

I just kind of had a Eureka Moment.

Recently DC Comics released a different and contradictory version of the Wally Murder, while also keeping the other around and referred to.

In this one, Wally is fried from behind by Booster Gold, with Harley Quinn stumbling upon the body with ambivalence.

The exact term CBR used "divergent realities" suddenly brought something back in my mind.

There IS one villain known for such things.

He's tinkered with the timeline, created divergent paradoxes, caused time to literally feed back into itself.

The villain of Heroes in Crisis...

...is the Time Trapper.

Booster Gold showing up - as a time traveler - is my biggest hint toward this.

And Wally's body was five days older than it should've been. Time Trapper primarily wields entropic blasts. Which age things.

Seriously, when was the last time we saw Time Trapper?

Edited by NickTheSwing on Feb 27th 2019 at 6:36:04 AM

What's the biggest mindfuck about the whole Evil Wally thing is that with any other company, a popular hero who had only recently returned suddenly going villain would be an obvious Red Herring, but since DC has actually played comparably stupid twists completely straight before, it's actually keeping the fans guessing.

That's like a Morrison-level meta-trip right there.

And if this is the doing of the Time Trapper, there's whole layers of time travel bullshit he can employ. Remember the "making a loop of time where there was a Superboy?"

He could set up two versions of events set in the same time frame in Sanctuary;

1) Harley murders Wally after Wally murdered Arsenal.

2) Booster Gold murders Wally after Wally murdered Arsenal.

And NEITHER are real, they're basically temporal what ifs imposed over reality.

Heck, Wally might not even be dead at all - Time Trapper's abilities could cover for even that in pursuit of whatever he's after.

If this is the Time Trapper, I would love it. Plus, the Time Trapper always reminds me of that great opening paragraph from Legion of Super-Heroes #50:

Edited by alliterator on Feb 27th 2019 at 7:11:28 AM

My humblest of apologies. Allow me to rephrase.

but then this is the guy who thinks the most romantic thing Superman can do is have vivid and graphic daydreams of Lois getting violently murdered.

Of course, if this theory is true, this means we can trust literally nothing we can see happening through the eyes of Booster Gold OR Harley Quinn as actually having happened, because it might only be happening in a divergent reality / time line.

A lot of the more contentious stuff happened through their eyes - and we've seen things happen that frankly defy chronological order. There are characters in Sanctuary who shouldn't, with issues that seem to have sprung up ALONGSIDE SANCTUARY ITSELF.

It wouldn't surprise me if Sanctuary was part of Time Trapper's own domain, transplanted over on to an actual place, edited into continuity, and then used to assert all manner of madness.

people are definitely dead like roy and tattooed man

Yes, just like Booster Gold definitely died during 52. (This is wishful thinking, because I want everyone to be alive.)

Some writers, like Tom King, think their work is super profound when it's just shit. Not really that hard to grasp.

So most writers then.

Actually maybe I was too harsh. Let me try this again.

Tom King thinks he's writing something super deep and profound because no writer intentionally goes in to write bad comics. Even the absolute nadir of cape comics is told with heart, soul and love poured in, but sometimes it just doesn't pan out.

And for Tom King, it just doesn't work. For all his talk of beauty and depth and whatever everything he makes just reads like emo snuff porn.

Again most writers in that department.

Even Identity Crisis? Because that one just seems like it's mean-spirited.

Dude it just seems like you really hate Tom King on a personal level.

Especially Identity Crisis. Brad Meltzer went in with the absolute best of intentions to tell a gripping detective story.

It's just that, well, that particular love was toxic and embarrassing on all levels. Also he's a flipper handed gibbon with no talent.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Feb 27th 2019 at 10:53:02 AM

Didn't he do that one Batman/Booster Gold story that's supposed to be God-awful?

Edited by kkhohoho on Feb 27th 2019 at 10:12:37 AM

Edited by alliterator on Feb 27th 2019 at 8:15:31 AM

"you even stated that Grayson was more Tim Seeley than Tom King, which you have no proof whatsoever about."

You'll have to dig this one up for me because unless I've got early onset dementia this never happened. I've never even read Grayson.

Sorry, I was confusing you for Deadpoolrocks, someone else who hates everything that Tom King has ever done.

In any case, there are books of King's that are legit great — The Vision, Omega Men, Grayson, Mister Miracle — and there are those that go up and down in quality (Batman). Saying that all the things he writes are "shit" is reductive (especially since you've just admitted to not reading Grayson) and only serves to make people dismiss you and your opinions.

hey i dont hate everything tom king has ever done. just everything he's ever done involving superheroes.

I was ok with his batman up until the god awful booster arc where booster has the idea to create an alternate timeline for bruce as a gift even though the bruce getting married would have no way of knowing or seeing that alternate universe, what the fuck was he gonna do just tell him what he did it makes no fucking sense at all, yeah booster can be dumb sometimes but dumb in the way of stealing a chocofiends choco's not creating an alternate reality as a gift for someone who can never experience it or know of it.

also as of doomsday clock which is most likely still both 1. in the future, and 2. canon people like tatooed man still died at santuary.

Edited by Deadpoolrocks on Feb 27th 2019 at 11:55:30 AM

The thing Booster didn't realize was that Batpoint-Bruce would want to save his parents at all costs. He wasn't selfless like "For the Man Who Had Everything" Kal-El was. And while Booster did ultimately end up reverting the timeline back (like he had always meant to), Batpoint-Bruce killed himself when he saw his parents die, thus traumatizing Booster.

His gift was supposed to be "See how selfless you are, even when you are in a different timeline!" and it ended up being "I caused an alternate version of you to commit suicide."

(Remember, also, that there are different versions of Booster Gold. One version is the older, more experienced version, but there is also a younger, more naive version out there, too.)

Edited by alliterator on Feb 28th 2019 at 12:07:36 PM