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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#351: Jun 2nd 2016 at 6:27:35 AM

The Virgin group currently part-owns the franchise that runs the 91s, yes.

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Greenmantle V from Greater Wessex, Britannia Since: Feb, 2010 Relationship Status: Hiding
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#352: Jun 2nd 2016 at 8:35:48 AM

Across the entire UK?

Yep, most passenger services across the UK are in hands of either Diesel (DMU) or Electric Multiple Units (EMU), including major express services such as those on the West Coast Main Line from London to Glasgow.

The most common of those are various Sprinters of the Class 150, 156 and 158 varieties, and also members of the Networker, Turbostar, Electrostar and Desiro families.

edited 2nd Jun '16 8:41:03 AM by Greenmantle

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#353: Jun 2nd 2016 at 8:41:15 AM

And there's also some cases where the lines are kind of blurred; for example the Class 43 locos + Mark 3 coaching stock were originally classed as Class 253 and 254 DMUs.

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PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#354: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:29:41 AM

I always found it so strange how different diesel locomotives look in North America and the UK. Our diesel locomotives tend to look like this. Beeg and stronk. UK diesel locomotives are much smaller and just look old design-wise, and to see them pulling freight is kinda jarring to me. It's like if I saw a CSX autorack train being pulled by one of these or these.note 

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:29:58 AM by PhysicalStamina

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#355: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:37:50 AM

It doesn't help that the UK has a very restrictive loading gauge. The 59, 66 and 70 are basically US locomotives scaled down to fit that.

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:38:28 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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#356: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:41:45 AM

[up][up] That's because UK rolling stock is smaller — in fact, the UK has the most restrictive loading gauge in the world. So much so that rolling stock has to be specially designed (and as such is more expensive) to fit within it.

[up] Indeed. The Class 59 was basically a version of the EMD SD40-2 redesigned for British (and European) rails.

edited 2nd Jun '16 10:45:57 AM by Greenmantle

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PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#357: Jun 2nd 2016 at 10:51:52 AM

Okay, hold on, you're telling me this used to be this?

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#358: Jun 2nd 2016 at 11:00:11 AM

Yes.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#359: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:07:05 AM

So this is what TPX's 802s are going to look like.

Dear god that livery is ugly.

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PhysicalStamina Since: Apr, 2012
#360: Jun 3rd 2016 at 10:30:46 AM

I dunno, I think it looks pretty cool.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#361: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:15:02 AM

Also looks like TPX is eliminating the warning panels from its future high-speed trains. Since neither those 802s nor the CAF-built express EMUs have them.

edited 3rd Jun '16 11:16:14 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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#362: Jun 3rd 2016 at 11:40:26 AM

[up] Well, I'll wait until the real rolling stock appears...

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#364: Jun 25th 2016 at 2:25:01 PM

Saw my first 37 in the wild today. Pair of them in DRS Blue top-and-tailing a Norwich-Great Yarmouth train.

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Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
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#366: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:41:12 AM

Yeah, that may have been obvious. The main drivers for the HS 2 project in government were Cameron and /spit Osbourne. Cameron's gone and Osbourne's not long in waiting for his bullet to the back of the neck in terms of his political career.

HS 2 was a shit idea anyway as it wasn't going to come to Scotland and be a proper revenue maker up here. All it was was a way of funnelling more money and talent from the Midlands and North.

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#367: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:46:58 AM

And IIRC a lot of the resignalling and stuff that would permit faster running on the WCML was EU funded.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#368: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:51:05 AM

I think you are right on that one. If it's true then the project is like the parrot in this sketch from Monty Python:

Deadbeatloser22 from Disappeared by Space Magic (Great Old One) Relationship Status: Tsundere'ing
#369: Jun 29th 2016 at 3:54:24 AM

I mean I'm not sure if ETCS was being funded by the EU or just an EU standard.

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#370: Jun 29th 2016 at 5:16:37 AM

It is an EU standard, but other countries such as Switzerland also follow it.

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#371: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:21:26 AM

....but, Tam, what happens when the WCML reaches full capacity? It's projected to be there soon.

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#372: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:28:17 AM

Isn't it already there?

And apparently the Government's solution is to restrict intercity services on the line to make commuting basically impossible.

edited 29th Jun '16 8:30:15 AM by Deadbeatloser22

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#373: Jun 29th 2016 at 8:41:24 AM

[up] And it's almost there on the Basingstoke-Waterloo stretch of the South Western Main Lane — and remember, double-deck trains won't fit our loading gauge.

Full Arriva integration of Northern halted over competition concerns

Arriva’s takeover of the Northern rail franchise has been temporarily halted by the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) over concerns that it will threaten competition, creating a worse experience for passengers.

The CMA is still deciding whether to carry out a full-length investigation, but it has issued an enforcement order to prevent full integration of Northern and Arriva, which officially took over the business on 1 April.

The CMA raised concerns after an initial review found that, following the takeover, there would be little or no competition against Arriva on 38 train routes and 44 bus routes, leading to a risk of higher prices or poorer quality service on these routes.

Andrea Coscelli, executive director of markets and mergers at the CMA, said: “Arriva already runs significant existing train and bus operations in the area covered by Northern Rail. We have identified a number of services and routes where passengers have previously had a choice between competing operators, but which will now be run by Arriva.

“This situation could potentially lead to a rise in non-regulated fares for passengers so unless Arriva is able to offer suitable undertakings now, we intend to carry out an in-depth investigation to look in more detail at these concerns, and decide whether any remedies are required.”

Arriva operates Cross Country, Chiltern, Arriva Trains Wales, Grand Central and the open access Alliance Rail service, as well as London Overground, Tyne and Wear Metro and 5,900 bus services. The company must now offer proposals to resolve the competition concerns raised by the CMA this week. If Arriva does not offer such undertakings, or the CMA does not accept them, the CMA will refer the Northern Rail franchise award for an in-depth phase 2 investigation.

TSSA warns of flaws in “the whole franchise system”

Manuel Cortes, general secretary of the TSSA, which opposed the Arriva takeover, said: “The whole franchise system is basically flawed because it creates local monopolies across different regions. We warned about Arriva getting this franchise and our predictions have come true.”

A spokesperson for Arriva said: “We note the Competition and Markets Authority’s announcement in relation to the Northern Rail franchise.

“We are already working closely with the Competition and Markets Authority to attempt to agree a package of measures to address any competition concerns they have and avoid a time-consuming phase two investigation.”

A DfT spokesperson added that Arriva is already serving rail passengers in the north and this announcement doesn’t change that. “They are now working to address the CMA’s concerns,” he said. “It would not be appropriate to comment further while the CMA’s review is ongoing.”

Hmm...shouldn't the CMA have spoken to th DfT first? And before anyone asks, wouldn't the same happen with nationalised bus and rail services — it used to, in fact.

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TamH70 Since: Nov, 2011 Relationship Status: Faithful to 2D
#374: Jun 29th 2016 at 1:41:50 PM

If the HS 2 wasn't going to get a Scottish terminus at Glasgow Central, it would not have made much difference to the congestion problem. Something that would only really be solved by buying more conventional trains and utilizing them properly.

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#375: Jun 29th 2016 at 2:10:59 PM

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Something that would only really be solved by buying more conventional trains and utilizing them properly.

If the infrastructure can cope, which it increasingly can't. You can't stick more and more trains onto a line with no spare capacity, nor with stations that cannot service those trains.

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