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I am not even remotely offended by the two-pager. Talk. It's better to say something in detail than to say it in a vague or incomplete way.

Hell, just minutes after saying that he slashes Victor Zzaszz's throat right in front of him.

Batman: "Dammit Damian! This is a line we do no cross! Unless you're Harley of course, which you aren't, but she can get away with it. Not you though. You're dead to me."

Make up your mind, dude.

Edited by Guy01 on Sep 14th 2021 at 5:37:55 AM

Well Damian did kill Dick which pretty much made him dead to the entire Batfamily and surviving Titans.

Red Hood and Starfire despise him.

Yeah, accident or not, that makes way more sense. The Zsasz thing in IJ 2 just doesn't work in comparison.

Though Dick dying to that is insulting to his character, so . . We lose either way.

Making a list of the things they could take away.

• The ridiculous death of Dick Grayson. (I mean, he could die anyway, but he would take away the ridiculous)
• Wonder Woman being the one who manipulates Superman.
• Batman complaining that Superman killed an army of Parademons.

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Sep 15th 2021 at 3:06:11 AM

Dick I think should die. Maybe make Damian deliberately do it. He is a Hate Sink in that universe anyway. So it doesn't really matter.

It seems to me you could take Batman's unease at Superman having "slaughtered thousands" as not so much a condemnation that someone killed someone else in a war, but as a realization of what it means that Superman "slaughtered thousands." Superman, who usually works his ass off not to kill anyone.

Their Parademons. Their not even alive.

I think Batman Knightfall is like the last classic Batman story to adapt and that will mostly get a multi-movie adaptation.

That be cool, its one of those stories where changes would be good as you'd simply trim the fat and focus on the well-known parts of the story. Bane at his most fearsome and breaking of Batman, Azrael's ascension to Batman and breakdown as he goes violently crazy, and finally Batman's reclamation as he battles Azrael for the cowl.

Rather looking forward to that.

Is it wrong I want the Deshi Basara Chant?

That is a pretty cool chant. I don't blame you.

Yeah. Everyone treats Damien as though he deliberately did it anyway, and nobody really cares on the one or two instances where he admits it was an accident.

So just have it be intentional, but have him claim it was an accident / be in denial, which nobody believes.

Heh. So just make him worse than huh?

I guess if it being a accident doesn't matter, though it could add to the tragedy of it.

Everyone hates Damien too much to realize he truly didn't mean it, and his charming personality means that he just digs himself deeper on that front as well.

Ironically, Dick himself seems to be the only one who recognizes that, since he's the new Deadman in that universe.

It doesn’t help that this is genuinely Damian’s most loathsome incarnation ever.

Like guilt of Dick aside, he’s still a murderous traitorous petulant brat. He’s essentially same kid he was when Talia hoisted him into Bruce all those years ago, he just never grew up.

Everyone basically treats him like a manchild especially Selina’s constant digs at him for being a massive momma’s boy who cold never attract a woman like his dad and older brothers have.

Well, Damian did redeem himself in Injustice vs. Masters of the Universe, by trying to make up for what he did and fighting Superman's regime. Too bad that this comic is non canon.

Huh. That's a really good description of Injustice Damien: "what if Damien never grew up and changed after Bruce adapted him." Injustice Damien is pretty much exactly what you would expect a pre-character development Damien who still wanted to take up Batman's mission would look like.

That kid needed a Jonathan Kent in his life. In fact...

I'd be down for Jon to appear as a playable character in Injustice. Like, explicitly the Jon from the main universe, trying to get back home. It interactions with Damien - and especially Regime Superman - write themselves.

Damian generally is at his best when interacting with other children or otherwise just being able to act his age. Otherwise, he just comes off as a major psycho with a superiority complex.

No! I miss the shitting on Batman's no kill policy.

The problem with Batman and his no kill policy isn't the fact that he doesn't kill, but the fact that writers go out of his way to beat it to the audience that Batman is NOBLE and PURE and BEST HERO because he doesn't kill among other things. But when you have someone like the Joker as an arch enemy, it just becomes more and more silly. At least with Superman, it makes since because he can kill on accident by simply poking you.

If someone wants to kill Joker they can do it themselves.

Everyone always wants to kill Joker but they can't ever bother to do it themselves they always have to force Batman into an ultimatum to do all the work.

Fucking lazy bastards.

Eh, these days, people prefer to shit on Batman because he doesn't go down.

Are people still doing that, by the way? Because I certainly am, and I don't know if I'll ever stop.

Oh, so sorry, but we can't exactly kill the Joker. Mostly because, and this is true, Joker doesn't exist.

Edited by djoki996 on Sep 16th 2021 at 1:30:35 AM

Yeah, come to think of it, he’s probably the easiest of Batman’s rogues to kill besides the comic relief ones, they really are lazy.

The courts can't be bothered to give a death sentence to the fucking clown and none of the multitude of cops or violent vigilantes can't be bothered to make the kill.

Harley in Joker War once had him dead to rights, she shot out his eye, but instead of finishing him off she instead forced another ultimatum on Batman where he has to save her and leave him to die.

Shockers Joker winds up surviving and escaping all because Harley wanted to prove........ something to Batman.

I've made the joke before about Markovians probably thinking Gothamites are weak. "When our hero beat a dangerous villain who hurt us, he threw the villain to an angry mob of us and we took care of it! But none of you have taken care of the Joker?"

Truth is Plot Armor. The only reason the Joker isn't dead is Plot Armor.

Plus, the 'no kill' rule debate doesn't really work with the Joker. If it wasn't comics, the jail system should easily be able to hold him and it's on Arkham/the City for not being able to keep the Joker imprisoned or for refusing to hand him a death sentence if he's That Dangerous. The No Kill rule regarding superheroes should more be about situations where there's no reasonable way to imprison the villain/it's super life or death.

Like honestly the plot armor surrounding Joker wouldn't be so bad if they didn't bring it up every time he appears.

Every single time Joker shows up now there's always at least someone whining, I'm not gonna call it anything else, whining like a baby over why Batman hasn't killed them.

Its annoying and it makes me respect Batman more for not giving into the demands of children.