Why does he even do that, though? I mean, where's the gain?
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Domestic approval I guess. He could motivate his followers after all for the referendum this way, and - this is just my suspicion - he might use Assad's crimes to justify a permanent occupation of Northern Syria by Turkey. After all, they are there to fight "terrorists" and protect the people against Assad... .
It may not be a coherent strategy, he may just be an asshole that likes insulting people.
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranWith the Turkish judiciary gutted, the remaining is now being overruled, thus making it essentially powerless.
Turkey’s highest court is ignored by the government
A new twist on an old crack-down
ELVAN ALPAY’S heart leapt at the news. It was January 11th and Turkey’s constitutional court had just ordered the release of Mrs Alpay’s father, Sahin, as well as another writer, from pre-trial detention. One of over a hundred journalists locked up in Turkey, Mr Alpay had been arrested on farcical terror charges in the summer of 2016, two weeks after a violent, abortive coup. He is 73 and faces a triple life sentence.
Accompanied by her mother and a few friends, Mrs Alpay drove to the prison where her father had been held, to greet him in person. She never got the chance. As she waited by the prison gates, word came that, in a move with no legal precedent (or indeed basis), a lower court had rejected the constitutional court’s verdict, and Mr Alpay would remain behind bars. President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s government applauded the gambit. Without a trace of irony, the deputy prime minister accused the constitutional court of flouting the constitution. Mrs Alpay says she was crushed, but not wholly surprised. “When things don’t make sense from the beginning,” she says, “you no longer feel shocked when you should.”
With the judiciary scared and depleted by purges, such Kafkaesque outcomes are becoming increasingly common. In a recent case the head of the local chapter of Amnesty International, a human-rights group, was set free by one court, only for another to send him back to prison just hours later. The same happened to a group of 19 imprisoned journalists last spring. (The judges responsible for their release were overruled, and placed under investigation.)
But this time the implications are wider and even more serious. By defying the Alpay verdict, the government has effectively disembowelled Turkey’s highest court. According to Hasim Kilic, a former chief justice, “the constitutional court has been rendered inoperative.”
Turkey’s judicial chaos is now Europe’s headache. Mr Alpay and several others have applied to the Strasbourg-based European Court of Human Rights (ECHR), to which Turkey belongs. The ECHR may well conclude that Turkey’s highest court is no longer able to provide legal remedy. This would provoke tens of thousands of judicial appeals from Turkey, which the European tribunal would have no choice but to accept, says Riza Turmen, a former ECHR judge.
A diplomatic row may be brewing, too. For Turkey and other European countries, the ECHR’s judgments are binding. If the court rules that continuing to detain journalists like Mr Alpay is unlawful, the government will be expected to release them immediately. Failure to do so could expose it to a range of sanctions, ultimately including ejection from the Council of Europe.
Mr Erdogan, who seems anxious to repair bridges with European leaders after likening some of them to Nazis last year, is unlikely to risk such a scenario. But he remains equally determined to crush any challenge to his authority. Although some of the 50,000 or so people imprisoned since the coup attempt in 2016 have been released, others are taking their place.
Amid a Turkish army offensive against Kurdish insurgents in Syria, the government is once again tightening the screws on dissent. In under three weeks nearly 600 people have been detained for protesting on social media and elsewhere against the conflict in Syria. As far as the rule of law in Turkey is concerned, the beat of the war drums might as well be a funeral march.
edited 9th Feb '18 6:09:40 AM by AngelusNox
Inter arma enim silent legesThe courts have made their decision, now let them enforce it.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.how? The Military has been purged after the coup attempt, same with the police.
"You can reply to this Message!"Handle is quoting someone, I think Andrew Jackson.
Edit: Yep found it.
edited 10th Feb '18 4:14:56 AM by Silasw
“And the Bunny nails it!” ~ Gabrael “If the UN can get through a day without everyone strangling everyone else so can we.” ~ CyranYes. Andrew fucking Jackson. Bloody Bloody Andrew Jackson. A very comparable figure.
Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that.Would Erdogan duel anyone personally though?
Si Vis Pacem, Para PerkeleGuy got his balls stomped on by a horse - doubt he'd do better against a human.
edited 10th Feb '18 7:00:48 AM by DrunkenNordmann
Welcome to Estalia, gentlemen.Kurds shot down a Turkish attack chopper. Erdogan is swearing up and down that there will be blood for this.
Honestly the Kurds have being doing fairly well against Turkey, which is very impressive.
edited 10th Feb '18 3:07:16 PM by TheWildWestPyro
Again?
Inter arma enim silent legesAfrin is a mountainous region that the Kurds have been fortifying ever since the Turks launched Euphrates Shield back in 2016. Most of the ground troops are also local Arab militia, with Turkey providing tank, artillery, and air support. Erdogan can't afford to send the Turkish Army proper lest they get the glory again and use it to sack him...assuming they can even fight a war at this point with the mass purges...
Seems like they didn't learn anything from Stalin's purges...
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanGerman politician Özdemir given police protection at Munich Security Conference
Cem Özdemir, a vocal critic of the Turkish government, was given a police bodyguard after meeting Ankara's delegation to the MSC, a media report says. He said the delegates showed that "they were not pleased" to see him.
German Green politician Cem Özdemir was put under temporary police protection at the Munich Security Conference after he met with the Turkish delegation in the lobby of his hotel, a newspaper report said on Sunday.
The Welt am Sonntag quoted Özdemir, who is very unpopular with the Ankara regime, as saying that he bumped into Turkish delegates by chance in the lobby of the hotel where both he and the delegation, led by Prime Minister Binali Yildirim, were staying.
The newspaper reported that the delegation had complained to police after the meeting that there was obviously a "terrorist" staying in the hotel. Özdemir was then given a security detail consisting of three police officers from Saturday morning.
Well at least Deniz Yücel is free again. But 6 journalists have been senteced to life in prison, for allegedly helping the coup in 2016, even though the Surpreme Court ordered the release of at least 2 of them.
Certified: 48.0% West Asian, 6.5% South Asian, 15.8% North/West European, 15.7% English, 7.4% Balkan, 6.6% ScandinavianSo, rule of law in Turkey is dead, big surprise.
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Technically, isn't he just out of prison but still being prosecuted. I mean, I'm happy for him for this is hardly a Good End.
"You can reply to this Message!"Turkish genealogy database fascinates, frightens Turks
Hrant Dink was the editor of the Armenian-language newspaper Agos in 2004 when he wrote that Sabiha Gokcen, the first female military pilot of the Turkish Republic, was of Armenian parentage. Because of this and other articles he penned, Dink found himself the subject of investigation by the Justice Ministry. He was assassinated in 2007 for reasons thought to be related to his strong support for Armenian causes.
Dink's story illustrates why population registers in Turkey were kept secret until recently. The topic has always been a sensitive issue for the state. The confidentiality of data that identifies people's lineage was considered a national security issue.
There were two main reasons for all this secrecy: to conceal that scores of Armenians, Syriacs, Greeks and Jews had converted to Islam, and to avoid any debate about "Turkishness.” Its definition, “anyone who is attached to the Turkish state as a citizen," was enshrined in the constitution as part of the philosophy of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, the founding father of the Turkish Republic and its first president.
For a long time, the official policy was that Turks formed a cohesive ethnic identity in Turkey. But less than two weeks ago, on Feb. 8, population registers were officially opened to the public via an online genealogy database. The system crashed quickly under the demand. Some people who had always boasted of their "pure" Turkish ancestry were shocked to learn they actually had other ethnic and religious roots.
On the darker side, comments such as “Crypto-Armenians, Greek and Jews in the country will now be exposed” and “Traitors will finally learn their lineage” became commonplace on social media.
Genealogy has always been a popular topic of conversation in Turkish society, but also a tool of social and political division. Families often acknowledged in private that their lineage was Armenian or that a long-dead relative was a convert to Islam, but those conversations were kept secret. Being a convert in Turkey carried a stigma that could not be erased.
Ethnic Armenian columnist Hayko Bagdat told Al-Monitor, “During the 1915 genocide, along with mass conversions, there were also thousands of children in exile. Those who could reach foreign missionaries were spirited abroad. Some were grabbed by roaming gangs during their escape and made into sex slaves and laborers. The society is not yet ready to deal with this reality. Imagine that a man who had served as the director of religious affairs of this country [Lutfi Dogan] was the brother of someone who was the Armenian patriarch [Sinozk Kalustyan].”
He went on, “Kalustyan, who returned to Turkey from Beirut in 1961, was remembered as a saint in the Turkish Armenian Patriarchate and as someone who had served in the most difficult times after 1915. During the genocide, his mother sent the children away and converted to Islam. Later she married [a man called] Dogan, who was of high social standing, and had two girls and a boy. The boy was Lutfi Dogan. When the mother, who was then with the Nationalist Action Party branch in Malatya province, died, his uncle came in priest garb from Beirut to attend the funeral. Nobody could say anything.”
The mindset of society was starkly clear when President Recep Tayyip Erdogan once complained, “We are accused of being Jews, Armenians or Greeks.”
There were those who feared that data obtained from population registers could be used to stigmatize the famous and used for political lynching campaigns. After the database went down, they spoke out against its restoration. One of them was Tayfun Atay, a columnist for Turkey’s daily Cumhuriyet.
“I was advised in a friendly manner not to admit that I am a Georgian. That was the lightest form of pressure. What about those who risk learning they are of Armenian ancestry or a convert? Just think: You think you are a red-blooded Turk but turn out to be a pure-blood Armenian. Imagine the societal repercussions,” he wrote Feb. 12.
As the debate raged, the system suddenly came back online Feb. 14.
Many Turks are questioning the timing of making this information available.
“If they had done this a few years ago when we were [becoming more tolerant], conspiracy theories would not have been as strong as today, when the state behaves as though we are in a struggle for existence. This is how Turkey reinvigorates the spirit of the Independence War” to inspire patriotism and pro-government thinking, journalist Serdar Korucu told Al-Monitor.
Those who oppose the system fear that a society already in a morass of racism will sink into it even further. Others, however, say that though reality might be shocking, couldn’t it be useful in eradicating racism?
“Yes, definitely. Everyone in Turkey is curious about their ancestry. That is a fact,” Korucu responded. “Why is facing reality so hard?" He said of the Sabiha Gokcen story, "That turned the country upside down."
Korucu believes data confidentiality is essential to prevent population registers from being misused as instruments of political defamation, but warned, “The state organs already know everything about us."
In 2013, Agos reported that the government was secretly coding minorities in population registers: Greeks were 1, Armenians were 2 and Jews were 3. The covert classification of religious minorities was met with wide outrage.
"What's worse is these facts emerge when it is time for a young man for report to military conscription. In short, there are those who know us better than we do. So why not tell us about it?” Korucu asked.
“Population registers are dangerous. That is why Hrant Dink was murdered," the columnist Bagdat noted. "The director of the Genocide Museum in Yerevan told a delegation from Turkey [about] the three most-discussed issues by those who were able to escape. Armenians first tell us about the Muslims who helped them escape the genocide, then the Armenians who betrayed them and only then do they narrate their catastrophe. If we make public the names of Armenians who were forced to convert to Islam, their grandchildren will be in danger today.”
He added, “This is how the situation is after 100 years: The Turkish state asked us to accept being Turks. Fine, let me say I am a Turk. Will I be given a public job? No. When I say, ‘No, I am an Armenian,’ I am treated as a terrorist. Nothing has changed. Opening of the population registers means nothing to me. How can we forget Yusuf Halacoglu, the director of the Historical Society of Turkey in 2007, who had bluntly threatened, ‘Don’t make me angry. I have a list of converts I can reveal down to their streets and homes.’ These words, by this man who later became a politician in the Nationalist Action Party, were a threat to Turkish politics.”
Is the information in the now publicly accessible registers complete?
Another ethnic Armenian, journalist Yervant Ozuzun, has doubts. ”We don’t know if anything changed. We know ethnic origins were marked with different codes in the register. We as Armenians were code No. 2. Has this changed? I don’t think so."
Government officials aren't saying one way or the other.
Seriously, how do you mess up something as easy as a photo-op with a kid? More proof that Erdogan just doesn't know how to act as a functional human being.
edited 26th Feb '18 6:13:57 AM by M84
Disgusted, but not surprisedThe US embassy in Ankara has been closed, and American citizens are advised to be cautious (avoid the area, large crowds, stay in touch with friends/family, etc) due to an undetailed security threat.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/04/europe/turkey-usembassy-threat/index.html
Politics is the skilled use of blunt objects.Turkish spy agency has snatched 80 people from 18 countries
Deputy Prime Minister Bekir Bozdag’s comments in an interview with Haberturk television came after Turkey secretly arranged the deportation from Kosovo of six Turkish men — five teachers and a doctor — accused of supporting the coup attempt.
The move angered Kosovo’s prime minister, who fired the country’s interior minister and intelligence chief for not telling him about it, and drew sharp criticism from human rights groups.
Bozdag said the National Intelligence Agency had similarly “bundled up and brought back” suspects linked to U.S.-based cleric Fethullah Gulen in covert operations in 18 countries. He did not name the countries but said such operations would continue.
Turkey has accused Gulen of being behind the failed coup attempt that resulted in more than 250 deaths, a claim that he denies.
Presidential spokesman Ibrahim Kalin denied, however, that the suspects were abducted through illegal operations. He insisted the six men from Kosovo were brought back in agreement with the country’s authorities.
“We have never engaged in any illegal act in our struggle against (Gulen’s movement),” Kalin said. “The event in Kosovo took place ... within the framework of an agreement on the return of criminals.”
Those deported from Kosovo worked in schools and clinics supported by Gulen’s movement.
At home, Turkey has arrested more than 38,000 people for alleged links to Gulen and fired some 110,000 public servants since the coup attempt. Many of those arrested or fired have proclaimed their innocence.
It is not like insulting foreign politicians has ever stopped Erdogan from trying to work with them together later on... .