Disney/Pixar In General

The former was hardly conclusive evidence. The Princess and the Frog did about as well as the string of Disney movies that preceded it.

Unless that Dragon's Lair film is a massive success, I just don't see any major studio trying to do a Traditional Animated Film again. At best, we'll have Tradional Animation integrated into 3D Animation (like Moana) or 3D that looks and/or acts like Traditional Animation (like the Paperman short or the Hotel Transylvania franchise).

Edited by DingoWalley1 on Jul 7th 2018 at 8:28:31 AM

Even if traditional animation becomes a big thing again, we probably won't see anything for it out of Disney for ~2 years.

And that time frame is probably being generous since they'd have to recreate a solid studio/team for traditional animation.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 7th 2018 at 9:07:59 AM

I don't think that Avatar really played that much in the box office of Pot F...the weather was a way bigger factor. The decided to release it in Europe in January, during one of the hardest winter in decades. Europe was drowning in snow and box office results in general were down. Plus, Pot F didn't really have a Wo M that good...the whole racism controversy didn't help either.

Honestly, Disney should try again with another Fantasia. I know that Fantasia 2000 wasn't that successful, but there is no better way to delve back into traditional animation and see how the audience feels about it than going creative. Alternatively, they need to find a source text or idea which allows them to really go crazy with animation.

Huh, Ursula wasn't the only villain to get a sibling for a sequel. Jafar has a fraternal twin sister named Nasira in an Aladdin game. https://disney.wikia.com/wiki/Nasira

I knew about that.

Hey, that's actually a really awesome idea! Even if I can't think of any other musical scores they could use, I'd still be all for a Fantasia 2020! (See what I did there?)

Lion King II kinda felt hashed in for similar reasons, bringing in a supposed heir of Scar despite the first film never showing them and implying Scar had a 0% Approval Rating. I believe the Tarzan animated series brought in a sibling of Clayton as well.

I mean, sure some of the other sequel villains aren't exactly memorable, but at least they were more original.

Fantasia is at least one of the instalments that works with being furthered and even got the approval of Walt to do so.

Edited by Psi001 on Jul 8th 2018 at 12:14:40 PM

I have a better idea: Fantasia Celebration! Put it in production NOW, release it for 2023, and then market it has the celebration for the 100 birthday of the Walt Disney company. What better way to honour Walt Disney?

They can even go and have an overreaching theme by having a segment for every era of the Walt Disney company, each of them representing a different animation style which was prevalent during those areas, set to well-known Disney themes interpreted totally differently. Instead of talking about the nature of music or having silly jokes, they can talk about the development of animation. And instead of having Mickey shake the hand of the conductor or the host, they could put together him shaking the hand of Walt Disney himself at the very end. They could do a "we did well, right?" Scene around it.

Hell, I BET people would flock to see this!

I even have an idea for a segment: Something inspired by "four animators and one tree" (or however the segment is called). That's a really great short about four Disney animators being in a meadow, all drawing the same tree, and creating something completely different based on it. You could redo this with four animators exchanging ideas, with their ideas being translated in abstract figures in their respective different styles.

Edited by Swanpride on Jul 8th 2018 at 4:57:26 AM

"That's wonderful idea,but it sounds too risky,how about we celebrate the life of Walt Disney with a live action dramatisation?We know live action films sell more seats then animinated features do anyway,and think of the merchandising aspects,we could market original mickies based off the early concept!"

"If we do that, they will just accuse us of propaganda and that we don't show the darker spots in his history. We just had this balance act with "Saving Mr. Banks". But if we celebrate his work instead, we are in the clear, there is nothing controversial about the important influence he had on animation."

And I have another idea, they can pan over all the Oscars Disney won in the credit scene.

"Oh sure,Walt was no saint,he smoked and held some un pc views,we don't need to gloss over that,make it character flaw he overcomes when he starts hiring animators,we dont need to make him perfect we just need to make him relateable"

Edited by Ultimatum on Jul 8th 2018 at 12:16:05 PM

"But that is not the image we build around him or the company. We risk damaging the brand if we do that. Plus, what is a better draw, one man or hints to our whole canon? Works with the Disney sequels, you just need to have something for all the different fans. The Disney Princess crowd alone would make this a success."

Which, btw, could be a great segment representing the early 2000s, having a segment featuring the Disney princesses coming together, but not in those overly glossy way, but having each of them featured in their animation style and admiring each other styles.

I still think they should do a Mickey Mouse movie for 2028. And my pitch is still that it should be a psuedo biopic with Mickey in the place of Walt.

Neither Fantasia nor Fantasia 2000 made a Profit, due to high production costs and lower-then-needed attendance. Making a new Fantasia would almost assuredly lose the studio money, even if it were marketed as a way to honor/celebrate Disney. Unless every single piece uses only CG Animation...

If you ask me, should there be a feature-length Mickey film it should be an adventure story in the classic Floyd Gottfredson tradition.

Why, you may ask? Why shouldn't it be?

> Floyd Gottfredson tradition.

I don't what that is,could you elaborate?

Floyd Gottfredson was to Mickey Mouse what Carl Barks was to Donald Duck, essentially.

There is no need to put as much money (relatively to the realistic box office) into it as Fantasia cost (a reminder, next to none Disney movies were truly profitable back then, partly due to production cost, partly because of the loss of the European market), and they just need to marked it better than Fantasia 2000 and take some risks narratively.

Honestly, tell them that there will be Disney Princesses encountering each other in the movie, and you have already the interest of a huge fanbase.

> Floyd Gottfredson was to Mickey Mouse what Carl Barks was to Donald Duck, essentially.

I still dont understand

Why — my GOD so many new posts— why would they do a sequel to Enchanted and not do hand-drawn animation? The original had that!

hand drawn animation has been done to death,they're trying out different things

Think of the great adventure stories Carl Barks wrote for Donald Duck. Gottfredson did much the same, but for Mickey Mouse, and in comic strip form (as opposed to comic book, the medium Barks worked in).

Gottfredson's work on the Mickey Mouse strip, at least for its first 25 years, was great serialized adventure stuff.

Edited by Aldo930 on Jul 8th 2018 at 8:22:01 AM

I would like it if Disney took a cue from the DC Animated films and produced a series of direct-to-DVD film adaptations of some of the more celebrated comic stories they've produced over the years. Like, maybe a TV movie version of Life and Times of Scrooge McDuck or Mickey Mouse Outwits the Phantom Blot.

But I do not see any reason why they would switch to CGI for Enchanted. I mean the reason traditional aniamtion was using the first film was because it resembled the storybook illustrations from books, and further made the contrast between her home and Manhattan even more different than if it were in CGI.

Edited by kyun on Jul 8th 2018 at 8:26:52 AM

The main reason I think they might opt for that is because with the release and popularity of Tangled, Brave, Frozen and Moana, the Disney Princess Fairy Tale is no longer as closely associated with traditional animation as it was when the first Enchanted came out. They might no longer feel the 2D animation is necessary for the satire to land.