Disney/Pixar In General

Musically, "Honor to Us All" is amazing. Girl Worth Fighting for is really good too, and both are great examples of the culture mix that makes me really like Mulan's score in general.

I always thought "I'll Make a Man Out of You" was good, but overrated.

edited 15th Jan '16 8:09:08 PM by KnownUnknown

the Memetic Mutation behind "make a man out of you" is kind of funny, since the song itself has a strong sense of irony given who the main character is, but it's almost always repeated as a straightforward celebration of masculinity in the face of insurmountable odds.

edited 15th Jan '16 8:46:26 PM by wehrmacht

I feel like most people these days just use it as a "LET'S GET FUCKING PUMPED UP" song, rather than one specifically relating to any sort of gender thing.

It could be a reflection of my upbringing, since my mum is from Detroit and my Grandpap actually was a backup trumpeter at the Roostertail Club for various acts when he retired. So I grew up with a lot of Motown, Doowop, Harlem Jazz, Swing and Gospel tunes (despite the fact we're all white as winter snow).

I can't say I was too fussed about "Colonel Hathi's March" (Ear Wormy as it is, it's pretty bland, and it's not like you can't make this stuff interesting. They were working with Kipling, if you're going to throw the rest out - at least keep the energy of the Barrack-Room Ballads! Kurt Weill did a pretty good job at merging jazz with military sound) and "Trust In Me" and "That's What Friends Are For" are incredibly forgettable to me. "I Wan'na Be Like You", "The Bare Necessities" and "My Own Home" are pretty fantastic.

Generally the music was at it's weakest when it deviated from it's Dixieland sound.

edited 16th Jan '16 3:37:45 AM by PippingFool

Hey, anyone remember Daveigh Chase in Lilo And Stitch?

Turns out she's doing pretty fine.

Which is great because we haven't really heard much about her and part of me was really worried she wound up like Lindsay Lohan or something and succumb to drugs.

"I'll Make a Man Out of You" is like, the theme song of two different groups of friends I have

Also one of the greatest things about it is the reprise, when the soldiers are dressing up like women to save the emperor. Paraphrasing another troper: "'I'll Make a Man Out of You' shows us that you don't need to be masculine to be man — heck, it teaches us you don't even need to be a man." (each time i paraphrase it I do so differently XD)

You guys remember the Earffel Tower at Disney's Hollywood Studios?

They're gonna get rid of it.

I wouldn't call "Make a Man Out of You" a complete satire or irony, seeing as it still gets reprisals in important scenes unlike "Girl Worth Fighting For" which definitely is both, but it's rather just a general "get more very strongerner" song, and the movie uses its reprise to point out how "being a man" has little to do with actually being a man.

On Fixer Upper: Frozen just has shit pacing in general. Everything happens too quickly and plot elements are just strung together in a chain. It's tightly paced yeah, but it's too tightly paced. Fixer Upper only exists as misdirection towards the twist, but it's so hilariously heavy handed about it that it actually works against the twist.

The trolls are why Anna almost died dammit. For multiple reasons!

edited 18th Jan '16 12:39:10 PM by Odd1

You know, when watching Frozen the whole snowman wanting to see summer bit seemed pretty familiar to me. Then I realized I'd seen it in an old German cartoon, but done better.

Also - news flash. Forget the whole Lion King/Kimba bit, now there's ideas that Disney took some ideas for its Little Mermaid from Toei's 1975 anime version!

Admittedly, while the Lion King/Kimba similarities are too much to really be coincidences - even though that's probably what they are - this one is probably just a coincidence. The Toei Little Mermaid was never distributed very well in America (my VHS copy was released the same year as the Disney version) so the likelihood of any Disney animators seeing it is nil.

Still - it's something to think about, ain't it?

Having just watched the cartoon you linked to, I'm gonna have to vehemently disagree with you on that. Olaf liking heat is played for Black Comedy, which to me is way more amusing than this cartoon, which seems like it's trying to be more poignant about it.

Also, that cartoon dragged on way too long. It's twelve minutes, which is actually slightly more screentime than Olaf even has in Frozen.

And the idea of a snowman enjoying heat is pretty widespread in stories about talking snowmen anyways. The Frosty the Snowman song mentions how "the sun was hot that day" and how Frosty wants to have fun "before I melt away." So it isn't really that unique a concept to come up with in the first place.

edited 18th Jan '16 1:17:40 PM by spashthebandragon

That video's actually missing a few moments, such as when Olaf is humorously impaled, or "Not sure if this is gonna solve the problem, but I think I just found a staircase leading exactly where you want to go." (among other moments/lines)

Also Frosty the Snowman is more just "Oh, crap, I'm literally going to die from this heat, better enjoy myself while I can."

edited 18th Jan '16 5:12:05 PM by Odd1

I take the Rankin-Bass versions of Christmas songs as the truth of what really happened in them, so, no, it doesn't fit, because the song clearly happened in winter, and he's trying to have some fun before he melts away and hitches a ride to the North Pole with a girl named Karen, gets melted in a greenhouse and gets brought back to life by Santa.

I'm a fundamentalist Rankin-Bass-ist. Our three holy films are The Daydreamer, Mad Monster Party and The Last Unicorn. Wanna join?

edited 18th Jan '16 5:18:51 PM by Aldo930

Rankin/Bass wasn't even the originator of most of those stories.

I don't recall any other version of Frosty the Snowman that had Jimmy Durante in it...

This is, I admit, true enough for The Last Unicorn and even The Daydreamer and Mad Monster Party, though the latter are original creations using things that were already established.

Really, I think melting is ubiquitous with fictional living snowmen just because, well, snowmen actually do melt in real life, so it seems like an interesting ramification to explore when your snowman magically comes to life, I guess.

edited 18th Jan '16 8:17:07 PM by spashthebandragon

I thought snowmen turn to straw in the spring.

Snowmen can do anything, even be the vessel for the spirit of Michael Keaton.

Strawmen are much more limited, for they haven't any brains. (Similarly, tin men have no hearts.)

Strawmen get to be in actual good Batman movies, so that's an edge they have over snowmen.

Now Bane wasn't exactly subtle but that's no way to treat such a nice and respectful Big Guy.

Scarecrow was in all three Nolan movies, so he didn't actually say anything insulting to the Dark Knight Rises...

strawmen

So hey, anyone here seen The Good Dinosaur yet? I've heard mixed things about it (with its horrendous production probably not helping), but I still wanna get to see it at some point. EDIT: and I guess I won't get to since it's apparently not in theaters anywhere near me anymore.

edited 20th Jan '16 11:02:39 AM by Odd1

From what I hear it's alright. Not really much to write home about. If it was that much better it probably would have received more fanfare like Inside Out.

I'm expecting Zootopia to get a good bit of acclaim. Moana could swing either way, and Gigantic will probably get a good bit of fanfare as well considering it'll be the third film with the Tangled style, which is now associated with the megahit Frozen as well.

Troubled production, eh?

Productions that don't go well seem to be getting more common at Disney these days. First Frozen is retooled into something completely different from what it started out as... Now this. Will there be more in the future?

I expect that we'll all get sick of that style soon enough. By the fourth film that uses it, maybe.

Then who knows what the next vogue will be? Maybe properly told fairy tales this time?

edited 20th Jan '16 11:09:53 AM by Aldo930