That's a misinterpretation of the title.
It's already a battle between the possibly mind-controlled villain and the hero, and the hero fights by attempting to find the good persona inside the villain.
The nuance is more "I know you're in there somewhere [and I'll find you and bring you back]!"
The onus to fight is still on the hero.
Off the top of my head the Sailor Moon Sailor Stars Anime is an example of this trope.
Edit: What you're talking about is more characteristic of where the characters will tell their brainwashed friend "Fight it!", i.e. the Deprogramming trope. Incidentally the Deprogram page misleadingly uses the interpretation of the title you are talking about.
edited 10th Apr '13 8:54:58 AM by UltimatelySubjective
"Nullius addictus iurare in verba magistri, quo me cumque rapit tempestas, deferor hospes."Also, the "correct punctuation" is a Stock Phrase; always a problem with trope names.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIt actually does make some sense. The trope is about a fight in which reminding the evil person of who they were is used as a weapon. They're fighting by appealing to the evil person's inner personality.
But the name has so many other problems. For one, it's dialogue. For another, it's wordy. Appealing To The Inner Self or Appealing To The Good Personality, or something along those lines might be a better title.
It has more than 800 inbounds, by the way. I would ask for a good reason to rename it.
"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard FeynmanIf the point is that the examples don't match the trope, that is a different problem from ambiguous name. The trope is about a fight where one of the participants tries to unbrainwash the other, not the specific phrase.
A rename might be in order, but I would hesitate given the sheer number of uses on the wiki.
We could rename it to the exact same name but including punctuation, yes? That should solve the issue, similar to "Stop Having Fun" Guys and "Well Done, Son" Guy.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!The trope definition:
The custom title is correctly punctuated. It is a specific progression of a fight scene, where the good guy does not fight as effectively as he could because he's fighting a brainwashed or mind-controlled friend or ally.
It is about the type of fight, not every occurrence of the stock phrase.
edited 11th Apr '13 5:20:34 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.As this is one of the older pages on the wiki, we have gone over this over and over before the ptitle system came along. In fact, we specifically punctuated this the way we did precisely to ward off the interpretation in the OP.
Oh, I thought it had no ptitle because thread title here doesn't show it. So it's actually "I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight...
Okay, then I don't think there's a problem here.
edited 11th Apr '13 7:45:45 AM by Spark9
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!...beyond the very overly long name, but that's Grandfather Clause territory by now.
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.I don't think we have a Grandfather Clause, because I've seen some Tropes Of Legend get renamed and this one is clearly below that level. That said, if it's a rename you want, you do need to make a strong case for it, more than just saying you'd prefer something shorter.
Rhetorical, eh? ... Eight!We sort of have a Grandfather Clause. It's not rock-solid and unbreakable, but it does carry a good bit of weight at times. Incidentally, I fixed the bad pothole to "I Know You're in There Somewhere" Fight on Deprogramming
edited 11th Apr '13 9:50:21 AM by Madrugada
...if you don’t love you’re dead, and if you do, they’ll kill you for it.
I don't know at what point this trope got punctuated, but it's completely wrong.
Whenever a character invokes this trope, they're saying "I know you're in there somewhere, fight!". I.E., they're telling the person to fight back against whatever's controlling them.
It's not a "I know you're in there somewhere" fight. They're not just saying "I know you're in there somewhere"; the fact that they also want the person to fight it is what makes the trope significant.
Therefore, the proper punctuation should be "I Know You're Somewhere In There, Fight!", as opposed to "I Know You're Somewhere In There" Fight, which makes zero sense.