Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.

Aw I like Yo Yo

I think seasons 6 and 7 are actually really strong. They're shorter, so they're more focused, and it's the point where the writers knew they weren't getting any more (and they didn't even expect to get that much) so they just decided to have fun with it.

And...I have to be honest, I think season 7 handled the time travel a lot better than Endgame did.

The final season was quite neat TTBT, liked it more than the previous 2 seasons. Season 6 was the lower point of the series to me.

I didn't mind Yo-Yo either.

Yo-yo was fun. I don't think there is any character I really didn't like, except early seasons "perfect girl" Skye. Thankfully season 3 began to put an end to it.

I actually liked Yo-Yo too. The way her power worked fascinated me - at first she feels like the one-stop answer for most of their problems but the limitation of having to "yo yo" back was interesting.

Plus we got that really creepy scene with Future Yo-Yo.

AOS definitely did better time travel with more nuance than Endgame did.

Not really, Time travel in Endgame was paradox free since it ran on multiverse theory.

Ao S did a lot more with it

Fitz actually explaining how it works

The characters dealing with the subject of free will vs precognition, dealing with a prophecy that seemed bound to come true.

The Fake-Out with everyone thinking they were going to die in that shuttle only for it to be Hive and Lincoln:

Fitz time traveling the ling way round

An alternate version of him surviving because of the cast's actions in the past

With Endgame it was "time heist" and cool nano suits. After that the technology just vanishes.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 7th 2023 at 1:41:03 PM

I don't see how that's better, just more complicated.

I actually hated the whole 'who's doing to die?' bit with the shuttle, because in order for it to work they all randomly wore matching SHIELD jackets for no other reason than to keep the mystery going.

I thought it was better because it was actually properly plotted out and they used the time travel as a way to do new story ideas and plots and they really played around with what each time period is associated with. Endgame is basically just a nostalgia tour. I like Endgame, but it doesn't really have the time to do anything with the concept beyond just show us a bunch of low-context shit we're supposed to recognize and get a lecture from the Ancient One about how it works. Agents of SHIELD, on the other hand, is like "hey, we properly plotted this out ahead of time so the timelines of seasons 6 and 7 line up properly and you can follow how each thing impacts each other thing and we used the alternate timeline thing as a way to build up tension and explore the idea".

Like...contrast how each thing referenced Agent Carter. Endgame is like "hey, it's the butler guy!" and that's about it. Agents of SHIELD is like "okay, so where is this character likely to be at this point" and looped his story into a 50s sci-fi movie pastiche thing to match a lot of the style of how movies worked in that era.

Well, that just comes down to the last two seasons of Agents of SHIELD being significantly longer than Endgame.

Like, the total runtime of Endgame is probably equivalent to, what? Four episodes? Agents of SHIELD had a lot more time to play around with all that stuff.

Edited by RavenWilder on Nov 7th 2023 at 12:18:57 PM

Right, it's not that weird that Endgame didn't waste time a butler, that wasn't important.

What was important was the scenes with Tony and his dad.

I'm not saying that I expected Endgame to have a whole story for Jarvis or anything like that.

I'm saying that Endgame was basically just a nostalgia tour and Agents of SHIELD did something new with time travel and I prefer the latter. That's basically it.

Here's an exercise:

How do we think the MCU would have progressed if AOS was canon and it's events/characters override the movies?

Edited by FOFD on May 22nd 2024 at 11:25:17 AM

Oh, the butterfly effects start trickling in immediately.

Firstly, Tony, Steve and Thor start asking questions about why the hell Phil Coulson's apparently alive and well again, walking around, wondering what the fuck that's all about, when they could have sworn he was killed in the Chitauri's New York Invasion, with them realizing that S.H.I.E.L.D., get this... has a lot more faces working within their ranks than previously thought, including some potential super heroes. And of course, Nick Fury has to start awkwardly explaining things far earlier now.

Probably makes the whole team dispute in AOU a lot more tense.

I'm just thinking about the Darkhold and how Ghost Rider is a thing.

...huh? Why?

Agents of SHIELD was written to be canon compliant (until very late on) and Coulson being alive being kept secret. Literally nothing would change in the films if it was canon because... that's how it was written.

The things that would affect the films would be I guess... the Inhumans existing and later SHIELD being officially rehabilitated.

Edited by dcutter2 on May 23rd 2024 at 9:39:48 AM

Man, the AOS crew participating in Endgame would have been awesome.

I'm not sure if Coulson would've stayed underground during Civil War, and that would've been heartwarming/awkward for him to just come back to support Cap.

If it happened earlier (AOU) the team was already falling apart, and Coulson's death is what rallied them the first time around.

Look at it the other way around - the Avengers reacting to the events in Agents. I'm not sure if the SHIELD Civil War would've necessarily pulled anyone, but you've got the Inhuman incident on that ship.

I feel like Barton would've been involved once Hive started icing people.

If Stark, working for the government, got his hands on a Diviner and started mucking around with it, the mucking around could be fatal.

The Season 1 finale recently had its 10th Anniversary. Just got here, so not sure it was mentioned again.

Anybody here who was also on the IMDb message boards back during Season 2's run knows I thought they did Ward dirty back then. Glad they eventually course-corrected, though it's a shame they didn't totally undo all the damage though.