RWBY General Discussion

With the situation of Oz and Ruby atleast, they weren't the same situation to start with, and even then Yang was more skeptical there initially.

When I said give up, I meant in terms of just going through the motions and not really having their heart in it anymore

M&K have given the impression of not really wanting to do it anymore, ever since the V5 backlash.

I think they and probably a lot of CRWBY are more or less checked out at this point. Working in a show for close for close to a decade only for it to mostly be known for it's hatedom (weather that's deserved or not) and to have your own reputation destroyed by it, would be incredibly disheartening for anyone

Edited by Gaogaigar54 on Sep 22nd 2021 at 1:43:07 AM

The only thing I've gotten the vibe Miles and Kerry are tired of is toxic fans overanalyzing every little thing they say or do and quote mining them out of context to push a narrative.

it matter really little how diferent they are*, is not about "how this apply or not" is mostly the principle since yang shit ozpin a lot until nearly the very end of volume 8.

Even them the point stand: yang is getting to judgy and willing to pick fights and really I think part of why bumblebee isnt canon yet is because of that.

Yeah, I will said since volume 5, the sort of "good will" the fandom gave to the show was broken and now people happy atack the show with abandon, I call this the prequel phenomenon were hating the show become is own thing regardless of how good or bad it was.

Edited by unknowing on Sep 22nd 2021 at 4:07:09 AM

I have never gotten the impression of them being checked out, or not wanting to do it anymore. The franchise has been expanding, they've been talking about how Volume 9 is the thing they have been planning for the entire existence of the series, and they've put enormous effort into making the series happen and happen good in spite of enormous complications.

Them being over dealing with toxic haters is not the same thing. It's clear that they are all over the years of abuse and cruelty from people that hate the franchise and hate them. Honestly, I don't blame them from blocking people or snarking at those a-holes because like...it's pretty deranged. (Saw a screenshot of someone telling Neath "you've forgotten your brother's face" and that Monty would be ashamed of him. Like...some of the hatedom are genuinely sick people that shouldn't be engaged with.)

But I don't get the sense that they've checked out. Yeah, some of them have left working exclusively for Rooster Teeth, and looked at taking on other projects. But that isn't unusual or a bad sign, it's a tough industry to make a living in so people try to expand their gigs.

Edited by harostar on Sep 22nd 2021 at 5:44:45 AM

I've never got that impression from them. The impression I've got is that they've become very wary of the fandom and how the fandom treats them and anything that gets said. I think it was EC Myers who said he was warned to be careful with how intimately he interacts with the fandom because it will hurt him (my words, not his).

People have attacked this show with abandon from the very beginning. Remember the backlash in the first few episodes of Volume 1: Weiss's bitchy characterisation ("She's ruined!"), the lack of fights in favour of character scenes ("Monty lied!", "RT mis-sold the show!"), the existence of Team JNPR ("It's called RWBY, they shouldn't exist!"), Jaune's story arc ("Marty Stu!", "Self-insert!"), etc.

Remember the backlash over the Black Trailer because it featured two characters instead of just the girl?

The fandom has had a powerful hatedom from the very beginning. And, since watching Red vs Blue, I have come to realise that it's not that RWBY has a toxic fandom, it's that Rooster Teeth as a whole has one — it's existed for years, and not only does it go after anything they screw-up, it goes after anything that's successful, too.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 22nd 2021 at 11:20:31 AM

Yeah, but it didn't propel to the levels of people making hour-long videos pointing out that a simple animation error had led to the biggest Relationship Writing Fumble the fandom's ever seen or people making a hate-hatedom where they viciously attack anyone who just says "you know, I didn't really agree with this scene in RWBY".

It started with long essay posts about how the show, creators and anyone who likes it suck. It transformed from essay to video over time.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 22nd 2021 at 11:25:41 AM

Pqrt of that I think is how much they invite the denizens of the internet into their ranks. People who werejust forum goers/fans wound up with jobs.

Which is great community yeah but makes the company feel more down to earth than say Crunchyroll or Microsoft.

They're very engaged with their audience and it seems like it hurts them as much as it helps. I always had the vibe that Rooster Teeth was the people's champion in terms of digital content, humble beginnings and modest growth. The myth of Monty's success aided the idea that you could just be a guy with a passion.

Then the forums. And the subject matter - focusing on nerd culture, pop culture.

None of that is justification for abusing creators, but it's a theory.

I mean look at Youtubr Celebrate the internet. Do rewinds. Elevate your digital celebrities. Surprise when they turn on you. Youtube is one of the few communities I've seen being as toxic as Rooster Teeth's.

And the only solution I see is to embrace it, or just setup

Some shows attract hatedoms. It's weird, but it's a thing. Hate-watching is weird, but also a thing.

Reacting in general (good or bad) has massively taken off in the last few years — expanding social media, improvements in internet accessibility and connectivity, it all contributes to an increasing ease of setting up your own vlog for... well, anything. There's a lot of everything these days.

And consequentially, with the good and great shall also come the bad and terrible. Tends to be how things work no matter what they are.

I think a lot of the hatedoms and the defender vs hatedom situations are at least partially down to hack youtbers deliberately fanning the flames.

Because that means they don't have to say anything inciteful or of any real merit. All they have to do is shit talk it and haters will flock to their video to have their opinion validated and defenders will flock to it because they are looking for an opponent.

I will said most of the time RWBY didnt atract that much hate. people call it anime derivative and generic(and were truth to a extent) but aside of fatman making is video about what certarin volume suck it didnt amount to anything except the usually hatedom.

I use volume 5 because for many it "prove" RWBY as a hack show without any talent and when that happen there is a demand of understanding why a series is bad: it happen with the prequel, it happen with fantastic, it try to happen with sydner movies, it happen with the sequel trilogy, the whole "this suck and let me tell you WHY?" and so on.

@Psyga

Every fandom has people who can't stand it being criticized, the Hatedom for this show on the other hand is more, Unique.

I have a friend that is the type who thinks that you should enjoy every part of a franchise.

Which also applies to his fandom with RWBY. Don’t criticize it in front of him.

Except part of being a fan involves pointing out the good and the bad and the ugly aspects of what you enjoy as no work will be perfect.

I dont think its has to be a ethier or thing.Yes there are some fans who are sensitive to vaild criticism.

However, I do think that somethings said about the show crosses a line.Like when people invoke Montys name to attack the the writers.That really isnt helpful.

Honestly with the minefield that is soical media sometimes i wonder if its worth it for creators it to have a account thats not run by a bot.Mainly talking about twitter here since that site in particular seems to bring out the worse in people.

Edited by DeanCole on Sep 22nd 2021 at 9:05:55 AM

What error/relationship writing fumble is this in relation to?

Edited by Saiga on Sep 23rd 2021 at 1:06:51 AM

Qrow and Clover.

Don’t remind me of the drama that ensued in the FNDM after Clover died.

I had to facepalm hard after hearing the drama that occurred in the FNDM.

So, moving on to other subjects (or at least taking a break from that subject), how come After the Fall and Roman Holiday don't have YMMV pages while Before the Dawn does? Roman Holiday I can understand as it's still new, but what about the first RWBY novel? How come it doesn't have a YMMV page yet?

For the record, I haven't read them yet, I just find it odd that only one of the RWBY novels tropes pages has a YMMV page.

I would agree with that.

I'm going to be a little controversial and say it honestly doesn't matter if there are fans out there who don't criticise the shows they watch, just as it doesn't matter if there are fans out there who do (constructively) criticise the shows they watch.

I come from a somewhat complicated education background, so I've been taught how to critique both scientific literature and storytelling literature. As a result, I struggle to switch off what I like to call my ATD Mode ("Analyse to Death") no matter what I watch. I try to tone it down in my posts (a lot), but I am constantly doing it.

Sometimes, I'm a little jealous of people who can just sit back and enjoy a work without feeling the need to analyse it. It does make for some good relaxation fun if you're watching something you like... just to watch something you like.

I hear ya on this one. Being raised by an English major who is also a mega geek and a literature/drama teacher plus me being a troper leads me to be pushed to analyze what works and what doesn’t work, and I think pointing out the problems and what works is a healthy thing to do.

This explains a lot.

Yeah.

As a kid my folks encouraged me to be able to see where plots are going.

That sounds like a curse.