RWBY General Discussion

I've kinda always thought that the color naming rule was enforced selectively. In that while most people do name after color, they have the freedom to choose not to. It would make sense seeing as the kingdoms of Mantle and Mistral were trying to suppress individualism and artistic expression and the end to the Great War saw an end to that. But if they made it so that the color naming was mandatory for everyone born thenafter, then wouldn't that be the opposite extreme? Someone could just go that forcing them to name their kids after color would be suppressing their creative freedom to name their kids after something not color related. Plus, since Ozpin's past incarnation was the king of Vale, who not only helped end the war but also likely played a role in establishing the color themed name system, and Ozpin is big on people having freedom of choice, it'd make the most sense if people had the right to not go for the color name either if they didn't want to.

The way Ozpin described it in his speech, it became a tradition, originally born of defiance against what caused the Great War, but is now seen as a celebration of diversity.

Traditions are not mandatory requirements, but they can be stronger within a population than any law. Something voluntarily adopted by entire societies can often last more successfully, or become more universal, than anything imposed by authorities.

So, you're right, it's not portrayed as something that is mandatory or enforced within this setting, it's portrayed as something stronger: ideology — a universal ideology to which the whole world voluntarily subscribes.

However, it would be entirely fair to say that the decision to not assign a colour name to a child (or oneself) is itself a celebration of diversity, and therefore might also honour this ideology.

Regarding the King of Vale's possible role in the establishment of this tradition, it's actually one of the reasons why I think Jaune is descended from him. If the King of Vale started the trend, or came up with the idea, and gave his family a non-royal name (to help move away from the kingship system), then want better symbol of how colour can be used to celebrate unity through diversity than something that forms a single object from many different colours, thereby symbolically celebrating all colour — a rainbow.

Jaune's symbol isn't personal. It's an inherited family symbol — a rainbow. His family name means 'rainbow' (it's the 'arc' from 'arc-en-ciel', the French word for 'rainbow'). He and his siblings each represent one colour of the rainbow. Jaune's entire colour scheme is a rainbow: red (sash), orange (elbow sleeves and inside his collar), yellow (hair), blue (eyes and Hard Light shield), indigo (jeans), violet (Gravity Shield); this is accompanied by the combination of all colour (white shield, white blade, white armour) which overlays the absence of colour (his black top).

He started with several of these colours, but has been collecting all the rest as the show has progressed (the red sash for Pyrrha, and the Hard Light and Gravity shields), but he's still missing one colour: green.

Now, green is the colour that represents Ozma, and when we finally see Oscar use that magic in Volume 8, the green stream he throws at Salem actually produces a very faint rainbow (two rainbows, in fact) — like a ghost or memory of all the colours of magic he's lost over time.

So, Jaune is missing the one colour that is associated with the individual who likely started the entire colour naming tradition, which is a very interesting omission to have from his inherited rainbow motif and family name. It's almost like a missing link. However, given his role in Penny's death, I do expect him to find a way to incorporate green into his future appearances in her memory. That will be the completed rainbow, and signify that Jaune has finally come into his own — but I suspect he'll also need to address his family heritage to truly confirm that he has indeed come into his own (he started off in its shadow, and will break free to cast his own light).

Edited by Wyldchyld on Sep 20th 2021 at 5:28:16 PM

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it's the 'arc' from 'arc-en-ciel', the French word for 'rainbow'

yet another reason to bring back Ciel and have her team up with Jaune.

Whatever happened to her anyway?

Ok, who let Light Yagami in here?

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They explain it in the show, Ironwood cut off Penny from her friends

Okay...Psyga? Can you maybe stop? Every time this bit comes up you make the same sort of Snark before someone points out that no it actually was explained in the show.

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x4 Would be better fitting if the Green represented his becoming a big brother to Oscar.^* Jaune and Oscar being dual mediators during Ruby and Yang's argument, Jaune being most concerned with him being missing after Neo attacked, and giving him the massive bear hug upon saving him from Monstra And I'm not saying this cause of my belief Penny isn't dead, I'm saying this cause Jaune and Penny were friends but not that close,^* It's the justification for why he was the one to kill her from a meta perspective: everyone else would refuse to. All of RWBY called her a close friend, Nora became close to her, and Ren refuses to sacrifice people. and you'd think incorporating things into his outfit would be reserved to those he closest to.

Edited by RebelFalcon on Sep 19th 2021 at 2:37:36 PM

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I said another reason is that they are reusing a older idea, if shane latter is to be trustable jaune and phyrra were supused to fight Cinder in the tower and he was supused to stab Phyrra by mistake, which it add a lot more to is scenes with grief and the like.

So for me they decide to use that idea again but with penny.

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Think I found the trope that best fits the whole situation with the Schnee Manor thing in Volume 8: Offstage Waiting Room

I did very nearly add that to my post, but I decided not to because it's still be played with in an unofficial way. At the moment, Oscar's effectively been adopted by the whole group on the grounds of being the baby of the bunch. We've also been warned three times to start thinking about Oscar in terms of a "team mate" to Jaune, Nora and Ren, but that's again not "official".

The three warnings I'm thinking of:

• Volume 6: when they find Oscar at home after spending all day looking for him, Jaune says "this team wouldn't be the same without you". Officially, you can take it to mean the entire group as a team, but Oscar is the wrap-up to a Team JNR-focussed episode where they're able to say good bye to their grief over Pyrrha, find her permanent place within their team... cue Oscar with the "moving forward" message.
• Volume 7: The opening credits creates a new team: Jaune Arc, Lie Ren, Oscar Pine, Nora Valkyrie (which gives us ALPN — Alpine, a shade of green ^note If you want to know what Alpine Green looks like, check out Oscar's coat: Pine Green (majority of the coat), Alpine Green (darker panels on hips and back), and Dark Fir Green (aka Dark Forest Green, which is the collar colour). Oscar's coat has a bit of a theme going on.).
• Volume 8: Ren and Harriet's argument about the idea that a new member of the team is just a replacement of the old one, which basically acts as a message to the audience: if Oscar does join the team, he will not be considered Pyrrha's replacement.

I would expect it to be reserved for pivotal moments in his life, and taking the life of a friend — helping that friend commit suicide — is going to be one such moment. So, yes, I do expect it to become reflected in his appearance in some manner. It could even be combined with the reforging or replacement of his sword, given that the blade is connected to this moment.

As much as I don't particularly want to start a discussion on Shane's letter, I will admit that this is one of the things I've been thinking about. It's obvious that CRWBY is going to use Penny's death as character development for Jaune, which Shane claimed was the point of Jaune's involvement in Pyrrha's death (although — unlike Shane — I do not think that would have played well to the audience in terms of Jaune's continued presence in the show, and I'm frankly glad CRWBY moved away from that idea; while Penny's death didn't play well to many people, it's mostly not because of Jaune).

No, that's a Time Skip trope, where the characters not involved in the story therefore had... no story at all, not even an off-screen one. That's why it's called off-stage.

The issue with Ruby's group is that they were on-screen, and they did have a plot line of their own — it just wasn't a centre-of-the-action storyline. It was explicitly a storyline about how heroes can become overwhelmed by the scale of what they're dealing with and have to learn how to cope with, and manage, situations like that.

That may not be the kind of storyline some fans like to see, but it's a completely valid storyline concept — and a very common one, too. That's why tropes like Heroic BSoD exist.

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Okay, finished both Volumes 6 and 7.

Liked them overall, 7 more than 6.

I can definitely see Bumblebee becoming a canon pairing, when both Weiss and Nora notice how Blake and Yang.

Ironwood is very much becoming a Well-Intentioned Extremist (yes, I know what he intends to do next volume).

So now I’ve gotta wait for Volume 8 to release on Prime Video. Though I already know some spoiler stuff including Team RWBY, Jaune, and Neo falling into Destiny Islands.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Sep 20th 2021 at 9:20:23 AM

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" I do not think that would have played well to the audience in terms of Jaune's continued presence in the show"

Yeah, as tobias put here a long time ago, that would probably shatter jaune reputation forever and it would be a never live down moment for him, is kinda there in "starlord fuck up the plan" kind of stuff, it would probably solidify the critics about phyrra being fridge and just a sexy companion for jaune to mourn.

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Yeah. You know how people were salty at Jaune not watching the door? Imagine that got increased by tenfold and that's what would have happened had the Arkos vs Cinder fight happened.

I'm still conflicted over 6 or 7 being better than the other.

I like how 6 starts and think the opening captures the hardiness of our main characters as their journey truly begins, but the second half of the volume is less impressive. I'd say the Brunswick farm episodes were an insightful moment of lowness, and Ruby finally got to use her eyes intentionally.

7 starts weaker for me, Penny comes back and that's great but things slow down, and the exploration of Atlas leaves something to be desired, but when tensions finally break and Ironwood orders RWBY arrested things pick up, and all of the various plot threads crash into each other. Qrow and Clover's final conversation is beautifully put together. It's a great plot twist for that Volume and sets the stage for the next Volume.

As for Bumblebee I think So This Is Basically RWBY" put it best. Yang and Blake not-talked their way into being girlfriends. A single scene of them going to the dance for like 30-40 seconds would have helped with that. I'm still disappointed we never got that.

I could see them being in a relationship but I don't think the show gets much better at portraying that relationship.

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I think the writers tend to include scenes because they think the fans want it. Which I think is why they are dangling Bumblebee like a carrot.

Obviously I’d love for Bumblebee to be canon, but I feel we’d need more scenes with them to be more organic.

Perhaps Volume 9 could give us more Bumblebee scenes that feel organic.

I do think the funniest scene in Volume 7 is Blake and Yang acting so flirty with each other that Weiss would rather hang out with Jaune than be with them.

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Which is weird because Weiss was all over Neptune at one point and nobody ditched her. Heck she was annoyed with Jaune for not taking the hint.

At this point I don't have enough friends or enough social circles that actually watch RWBY to really be that for or against Bumblebee. I just chuckle whenever we get a Bumblebee scene and the child in me screams "just get a room already."

I think I just dislike how they write romance in general. We get weirdly-timed scenes like them trying to break into Ironwood's fortress and Nora stops to talk about how she and Ren are doing. Like who cares, at that moment, I don't care, I want to see this infiltration happen.

But, if we didn't have that scene, we'd have less character growth for Nora, Nora getting hurt later would be less impactful, and "Be strong and hit stuff" wouldn't be a thing.

Edited by FOFD on Sep 21st 2021 at 10:07:14 AM

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Which is actually why I think it’s funny because of how annoyed Weiss would get with Jaune in Volumes 1-3 for that but constantly flirting with Neptune in those same Volumes.

Or even remembering all the RWBY Chibi gags where Weiss rejects Jaune’s attempts to date her.

I have had moments watching Volume 6 and I went “Just kiss already you too”.

On a funny note, I almost on instinct referred to RWBY’s Neptune as “Nep” before remembering that “Nep” is a nickname for another Neptune.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Sep 21st 2021 at 9:12:16 AM

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I regard the issue as an example of Reality Is Unrealistic.

Speaking solely from my own experiences, the way they're handling the ever-increasing closeness of Blake and Yang is very realistic for how friends can evolve into lovers in real life. I've seen it happen this way too many times to count.

It's been many years since I've seen such a realistic portrayal of this slow evolution of the nature of closeness that gently creates such a blurred line between friendship and romance that it's hard to identify the one, single moment where they crossed it — because there isn't one, single moment to find.

Real life is often like that, too.

She wasn't creating her own bubble with Neptune to the exclusion of her team-mates. The one time she tried, Ruby nipped it in the bud before it could happen (not maliciously).

Blake and Yang have formed that "always together" bubble that people in real life very often form in the lead up to a romance happening — two people who always spend their time together, to the exclusion of others (even when other people are in the same room). The comments and reactions from the characters around them about this are very on point for the comments and reactions people in real life can be prone to making when they see that happening to two of their friends (and we don't just have Weiss's third-wheel impatience with Bumblebee, we also have Ruby's third-wheel impatience with Renora — just to continue the parallels those two scenes were having).

My guess is that, because they have this so on point (based on my own experiences of this happening in real life), the creators actually might be using personal experience of friends in their lives as their guideline for developing this relationship. That's how it keeps coming across to me because that's what I keep feeling every time I see it ("Oh, I remember that happening with X and Y!", "I remember seeing that with Z!", and so on).

We've already had the scene where Yang basically admits to Ruby that she's in love with Blake — and, yes, people are free to dislike the wordlessness of that scene if they want. That's not a problem. Personally, I really liked the wordlessness of it because it showed just how well Ruby and Yang understand each other as sisters — they didn't need to use words for Ruby to twig, to look Yang straight in the eye with the question, and for Yang to confirm.

And it just makes a really nice change to have a low-key, quiet, silent confirmation without dramatic statements or gestures or actions.

My feeling is that Yang has been waiting in the wings because of the Adam situation. She's been giving Blake time to heal. You don't rush into a new relationship after something like that — not if your goal is to have a relationship that is stable, long-term and healthy. And Yang was the one who saw how Blake emotionally collapsed after the fight was over. Blake was still quite tearful while they were in the airship flying to Atlas. She saw the subdued looks Blake was giving the SDC logos in the mines. She knew what a toll that took on Blake.

The fact that Weiss had to stop Blake from throwing herself off the platform in the Central Location means that Volume 9 is probably going to be what will bring about the discussion. For those that do want the dramatic gestures, that feels dramatic enough.

I've got no problem with that scene. I love the fact that Blake spinning aimlessly on the chair lampshades how completely unimportant they are for the length of time it takes Penny and Pietro to do their hack. Let's face it, as much as shows and films try to make hacking sound like fun, for the people who have to sit around and wait for the hacker to do their thing, it's completely boring. I like the fact that the writers decided to do something with that instead of gloss over it.

Anyway, at the risk of stereotyping my gender, women really can find a way to discuss personal things in any situation. To bring it back from stereotyping genders, it's something I've known plenty of other people to do as well. It's just something people sometimes do.

In this scene specifically, the characters have nothing to do but ponder the things that are bothering them, and we see it in what each of them says: Blake's core worry is how to balance her relationships with Ruby and Yang, Weiss's reassurance highlights her own concerns about her current relationship with Winter, and that leads into Nora's current concerns about Ren — and what that means for herself.

Edited by Wyldchyld on Feb 16th 2023 at 7:19:20 PM

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I actually didn’t know that their approach with Bumblebee is realistic.

But I approve of Bumblebee anyways.

But yes, perhaps we’ll get some big dramatic moment like a Big Damn Kiss in Volume 9 or something.

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And given how this volume is after Volume 5, a Base Breaker, I think it might be safe to say they were trying to win any sort of crowd. I'm predicting that something similar will happen since Volume 8 seemed to be also a Base Breaker.

TBH I wouldn't be surprised if they just gave up at this point and just want to get things over with.

Imagine it's just like a five second smooch on the cheek and then there's nothing else, not even for the finale.

I meant about the show in general not Bumblebee in particular.

That feels needlessly pessimistic.

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No.

I ranted about this a while back in different variations but long story short turned into a hot take is that them backing out on the show would, ironically, be them not following Monty's vision. Monty entrusted the show to these guys when he was alive, like it or not, and every time someone like you brings up "oh, why don't they just give up" or even "just reboot it!", you undermine the dedication some people go through just to make sure Monty's literal dream doesn't die on the vine.

Edited by Psyga315 on Sep 21st 2021 at 5:18:37 AM

My only issue with bumblebee right now is yang ever incrising hostile personality, her tendecy to judge everyone like ozpin while giving a pass to ruby for lying to james even when she was annoyed by that, her atack to ren and other and in general being so charge is getting a little toxic.

she ever get rid of that or she will become a bad parner for blake eventually.

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