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I imagine they all have various opinions on what they saw since that history lesson was how Maria got confirmation on where silver eyes apparently comes from.
The thing is they probably don't feel they have the luxury to worry about past events when they are dealing with a threat in the very present while carrying around the relic.
Unless they intend to summon the gods anytime soon Salem would be the biggest concern they currently have. With the state of things currently it would also be suicide to summon them.
I would also imagine most of the group is dealing with personal problems in the present that take priority for them. There is definitely a reason why the oldest of the group is the first to talk about anything beyond Salem can't be killed.
Out of that entire lesson the thing that is going to be a problem in the here and now and effect them for the rest of their lives is the fact that the thing they made an enemy of can't die as far as they are aware. Because we may be aware that sometimes questions need to be specific, but they don't have a reason to assume otherwise since they have seen Salem survive her body getting destroyed.
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what can they do to harm the gods? humanity 1.0 were stronger than the Maidens, since Oz has been handing out his magic and gotten weaker because of it, while Salem likely hasn't given any of her magic away, and they couldn't even scratch them
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I'm leaning more towards an Enemy Mine with Salem's team against the Gods that ends with a mutual Heroic Sacrifice/Redemption Equals Death for Oz and Salem along with the destruction of the Gods, leaving humanity free from the machinations of higher beings.
Nothing as direct as fighting them. But they might have some weakness that can be exploited. As far as your theory last page, I really hope it's not just that Salem wants to kill everything; IMO that'd be kind of a let down after keeping us in the dark about her goals for 3+ seasons.
@Jovian: It's incredibly fucked up, to the point where I don't really blame Salem for rebelling against them, just for lying to her followers about having a plan to beat them.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 7:00:15 AM
The Arch-Douchebag
While anything that results in the Brother Gods getting wrecked would satisfy me, I do not think they will or should become the final villains. The ones responsible
for most of protagonists' misery are Salem, Cinder and Ozpin, in a way unintended by him of course. The Gods were not mentioned until the Volume 4, not shown until Volume 6 and are yet to interact with any of the characters except Salem and Ozma/Ozpin. In order for the story to work, they need to be dealt with before the climax.
See, Soble, you seem to be fine with either presuming things out of what the show tells you, handwaving things as not in need of explanation, or as not important at the moment, and if that lets you enjoy the show, hey, all the power to you. Theorising about a show is good fun, no doubt. But I find it difficult, personally, to enjoy a show that frequently teases people with questions and supposed foreshadowing but gives no answers and treats it's own plot like it's not important.
I mean, think about it: the showrunners actually decided to drop the big backstory between the Big Bad and the Big Good at the start of the season. This should be a huge deal. It should be something that overtakes the entire season and becomes the major deal for a while.
But no. Salem and Ozma's backstories are dropped into the show, alongside the origin of the entire world... and none of it has any importance whatsoever other than the one piece of information by the end. All of the characters unanimously focus on that and that alone for the rest of the season, and no one brings up any further questions or comments about anything. Think of that! None of them remark on how this is humanity's second go! Blake doesn't wonder where the Faunus came from if they weren't around the first time! Yang doesn't get angry at Ozpin for having a thing with Salem! Nothing.
They just get kinda angry at the fact that Ozpin has no plan, act like he's untrustworthy for a few minutes, then go back to doing exactly what he wants them to do. And when they do question that, it's actually the work of the villains of the week messing with their minds.
Imagine that anywhere else. Come the sixth book of Harry Potter, where he explores Voldemort's past, and by the end of the book we don't discover anything of importance and just move on to the next plot. Come Star Wars Episode 5, and Yoda just flat-out tells Luke that he has a sister, and that this will only be important on the next movie so he shouldn't worry about it too much now. Or when Hohenheim's story comes up in Fullmetal Alchemist, but instead we just discover that he had nothing to do with anything, he's just a normal guy who one day found the Humunculus and it changed it's appearance to look like him.
That kind of thing doesn't fly. These things are important, the points around which the entire story revolves. You don't just casually throw it onto the story and then ignore it until you think it's time for them to be important again. They did it with the Silver Eyes, they do it constantly with Summer, and they've done it now with Ozpin's backstory.
You want to go along with that, that's cool. It's great that you're enjoying it. But that doesn't change the fact that very little of any relevance was actually revealed or answered here, and given RT's apparent need to not give concrete details to whatever plot they write, I don't think that's likely to change in the future.
That kind of depends on how many more volumes there's going to be. Probably quite a few. IMO it kind of goes against the typical ladder of threat escalation for the Gods to be beaten before Salem. Also, if they're building towards Talking the Monster to Death as far as Salem goes, I'd like the show to give some time before the inevitable Redemption Equals Death hits.
Yeah, if they weren't going to really do anything with Ozpin's backstory this volume they should've just had this happen at the end of the season; it feels a hell of a lot more climactic to me.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 7:15:58 AM
Jupiterian Local
You're suggesting that Salem's actions were justified based on something they hadn't done yet, and that she had no way to know they would ever do. Even if she was right to declare war on the gods, she was Right for the Wrong Reasons at best.
Really from Jupiter, but not an alien.
The thing is, there's no indication that there are any of the usual negative consequences to raising the dead in this setting; the Gods can just do that with a wave of their hand, but for some reason decided that their creations ought to be mortal and suffer all the indignities of the human condition because of what exactly? It's clearly not because they can't, it's not because of deal between the Gods because the God of Darkness didn't give a fuck about handing out a resurrection, and they repeatedly resurrected Ozma with no signs of Came Back Wrong.
It's basically the problem of evil, and the setting had already ruled out most of the obvious resolutions fantasy settings use to avoid that by the time Salem decided the Gods had to go. Though I would say it's kind of a Right for the Wrong Reasons thing.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 8:00:12 AM
I find no one in that story was ultimately right.
Salem wasn't wrong in going after the Gods to ask for Ozma's life. Even after being told no by the God of Light, she wasn't wrong in trying the God of Darkness, despite her childish behaviour. It was when she chose to attack them for denying her, and later when she gathered armies against them, that she crossed the line.
The God Of Light, meanwhile, is initially understanding and patient with Salem. He denies her request with kindness, and when she gets angry at him, he still calmly explains her the reason he can't do it, and sends her away when it's clear she won't listen. He crosses the line when he has his spat with the God Of Darkness that involves Ozma's life, and later again when he starts acting massively hypocritical about the end of mankind and manipulates Ozma into accepting a task that basically dooms humanity.
The God of Darkness, finally, errs because he's thrilled to have someone who needs him, but also admits his mistake and fixes it with his brother. It's when he chooses to just annihilate humanity on a dime that he crosses his line.
They're all wrong here at some point.
Except for Ozma, who did nothing wrong other than dying of the flu, but for some reason is the only person in the story who feels guilty for it.
Given the situation they're in, Ruby's decision to stop the argument before it begins is legitimate. If they'd stood around arguing, we'd have had a repeat of the fandom complaint from Volume 2 (Oobleck info-dumping instead of leading the race to rescue Ruby).
Well, we don't know, but there are some clues: people are frightened of her and when she comes out of her cottage, she's snarling and ready to fight.
So, while we don't know, we can ask the question if she was in the habit of destroying any humans that bothered her.
He didn't rescind it from humanity. He captured the magic that had been unleashed on him, but he didn't take away anyone's ability to use magic (Salem can still use magic). He killed humanity instead.
Nevertheless, there's a visual difference between the magic of the old world and the daughter's magic: the old magic has six 'comet' streaks topped by four orbs (of which, two orbs represent the Gods of Light and Dark, begging the question: what do the other two orbs represent?). The daughter's magic has the six 'comet' streaks, but no orbs. So, while it superficially looks 'whole', it's not.
Well, what he was hiding was that Salem (apparently) can't be killed. Everything else is intensely personal, painful back story, which anyone would struggle to share.
It's the unkillable bit that the group's fixated on — they haven't even bothered analysing the story itself, only Maria's been doing that.
It makes sense to me: Cinder is the one who dragged Roman into Salem's plot, which led to the conflict with Ruby. Ruby's just a tool, in that sense.
In Jinn's vision, the Ozma host that creates the cane has a wife and two children. The two children have silver eyes. The implication is that the silver-eyed warriors are descended from Ozma.
That pretty much means that, whenever Ozma has children, they turn out special in some way. Not the extent of magic seen in the children he produced with Salem, but something that was inherited from whatever the God of Light did to him when he took on the reincarnation.
In the first episode, Blake had a vision of Adam when she cuts her team free of the train. Adam looked different to any other version of him we've ever seen, and was blindfolded. So, that was the real Adam and he travelled to Argus by train with Team JNPR.
After that, all he'd really need to do is stake out Team JNPR, wait for them to reunite with Team RWBY, and then bide his time until Blake is alone.
The focus was on Qrow's perspective and reaction, so I think it was supposed to reflect his Semblance kicking in, causing Ruby to misjudge her landing and fall. His Semblance does seem to kick in a few times during the fight; other possible moments would be Ren's sudden fall off the mecha and the destruction of Weiss's Queen Lancer while they were sitting on it.
Eh, no-one commented on Amity Arena being a giant floating stadium that travels from Kingdom to Kingdom every two years either. And there was the Floating Islands of Lake Matsu.
Personally, my issue with Atlas are the cables leading into the depths of the Isengard pits mines below. The pillars on Atlas indicate that the floating city can protect itself with forcefields, but those cables look stupidly easy to destroy. I don't know if they're power cables (the source of energy for the city), tethers to stop the city from floating away, or a combination).
What will happen if they're severed? Will the city lose power? Float away? Begin to crash because the power that enables them to float has been severed? Hopefully, they're more protected than they seem (because, otherwise, the question would be whether the White Fang's ever tried to destroy them).
Winged assailants make sense for a floating city, but it's a Shout-Out to The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. The Wicked Witch had an army of winged monkeys enslaved to do her bidding. They capture Dorothy and bring her to the Witch's lair.
So, the question for the Atlas arc is whether the Winged Beringel will capture Ruby and bring her to Salem. Not that Ruby's the Dorothy character (I expect that to be Shade Academy's head), but Ruby is playing the heroine's role, so she's Dorothy's equivalent in that respect.
It's important, but Ozpin shut down when Qrow turned on him, and the heroes haven't been interested in analysing what they were actually told. They only care about Salem's killability. So, the rammifications of the story have yet to be explored in-universe.
Also, they're currently only signed up to deliver the Relic to Ironwood and nothing more. They haven't decided what to do once the Relic has been delivered. Something's probably going to happen that forces them to stay in the game.
Volume 1 gave us three leaders of the White Fang. A central figure that grinned suspiciously, something that looked like a male cat Faunus on the left and a silhouette that was clearly Adam on the right.
Sienna doesn't contradict anything we've ever known about Adam. What she might contradict is the fact that the silhouette of the cat Faunus looks male (it's certainly not her) and whatever the mysterious central figure is. But until the story's over, we don't know if that's been retconned.
No, it doesn't. It needs Ruby to tap into a soul-deep desire to protect life. What she's been doing with the positive memories is to try and create the state of mind Maria told her is needed to consciously tap into the power on demand.
We've had this discussion. Fanon has been contradicted, canon has not been. That's all there is to it.
The Council of Vale (on Ironwood's advice) treated the breach as a failure of Ozpin's in the very same episode the breach occurred in. This didn't wait for V3.
I don't remember this. When did this happen? I only ever remember it being referred to as an injury. I don't remember it ever being referred to as either a broken leg or a dismemberment.
This is explained more fully in the World of Remnant episodes, and is also in the CCT's name. If it's within-kingdom, it's 'local'. If it's cross-continent, it's global.
Although Patch is an island, it is inside the Kingdom of Vale, not outside, and it's therefore local area.
Also, the CCT doesn't make communication with other places impossible, just harder. The news Yang is watching doesn't state anything is instantaneous communication. It mentions the Dust embargo has started, and evacuation ships are taking people home (there's a ban on all other airship travel). The main Atlas news is the report about conversations with Atlas officials about the ongoing repairs to the CCT, but the report doesn't tell us if those officials are in Vale or Atlas.
There's nothing there that's contradictory.
None of your list are evidence of 'forgotten' characters, just characters that haven't been relevant to the main storyline. That's a deliberate decision, not forgetfulness.
His MO has always about trying to see the positive in things and trying to bring hope. He tries to shy away from bringing negativity or letting others bring negativity.
Jinn's vision shows us that being told he can't destroy Salem pretty much shattered him. Characters don't collapse to their knees for just any old shock. That's usually a sign of abject despair. It would be entirely in-character for him to not reveal that because he thinks he's protecting people from the despair he lives with over that knowledge. Especially given the fact that, in his experience, people can't handle that truth — and we've seen characters who haven't dealt with that knowledge well. Indeed, the gang's reaction to the news is exactly what he expected with the exception of Qrow's — which is the reaction that most affected him.
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Yeah, this x100. Though I should say, as someone who spent a fair amount of time around people getting crushing news (shadowing an oncologist), God of Light immediately kicking Salem out after she got angry and started shouting shows some astoundingly bad bedside manners, even if we assume he had more than an empty platitude to justify himself.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 7:58:36 AM
can i just add that they revealed in Rewind that they were gonna reveal how humanity came back and how the Faunus appeared, but the episode became too long, so they had to cut it
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I mean, I wouldn't say that helps. It just means they cut out something rather important. The show just handwaves it as "humanity will come back eventually" and then shows that for some reason Faunus were also suddenly there with no explanation, despite those being pretty important things to acknowledge. And all it would have taken was a few extra lines by the God Of Light.
Plus, what do they mean by "too long"? Isn't it Rooster Teeth itself that dictates how long these episodes are?
True, and him just barging into his brother's pool and starting an argument is also rather jerkish in and of itself. The power of Creation doesn't seem to come with a very advanced concept of politeness.
Edited by TheLovecraftian on Mar 4th 2019 at 9:45:18 AM
That assumes it was something the God of Light did; when it comes to the Faunus I'm betting that had something to do with Salem given Tyrian literally worships her.
I mean, he knows that humanity showed back up. He could have mentioned how that happened, even if not the Faunus. Although it would surprise if the God in charge of the power of Creation didn't know how an entirely new species was created.
Edited by TheLovecraftian on Mar 4th 2019 at 9:48:54 AM
He could've, but it might be something that they feel deserves more than just a passing mention and actually needs to be shown directly, ie via the last question or a flashback of Salem's, since she's the only character who could've witnessed whatever lead to those things.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 7:52:49 AM
Yeah, but again: that just shows how weird their priorities seem to be with these things. They decided that "and then humanity came back and there were also these new creatures running around as well" was good enough with just a handwave, but "and then the moon broke because the God of Darkness bumped into it" made it in.
Which might mean it's something actually consequential to the story instead of a random background detail. Ie that theory of mine that Ruby has some Faunus heritage, and that Faunus are (perhaps literally) descendents of Salem, making her the only living mutual descendant of Ozpin and Salem, hence Salem wanting her alive.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 8:09:12 AM
It might mean something, but yet again, I have next to no reason to believe RT is doing this kind of thing intentionally considering their past mistakes on that front.
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Considering it wouldn't be the first time something got pushed back to a later volume I won't be surprised if the origin of humanity 2.0 and Fanus comes up at a later time.
"When I offered to make Norea my third back-up girlfriend she just glared at me and started throwing things at me.." Renee Costa
That was certainly her goal when she thought she had Ozma by her side, and it's certainly what her subordinates currently believe is her goal.
I still think her true goal is to trigger Judgement Day too early so that the gods will see humanity divided and at their worst, declare them irredeemable, and thus destroy the planet. Her reasoning being that the terms of her curse are that 'as long as the world keeps turning, you shall walk the face of it'. So, she's trying to stop the world from turning — which is exactly what the God of Light told Ozma would happen if Judgement Day failed for humanity (they only wiped out humanity last time, this time it would be the entire planet, too).
By achieving the very result Ozma is reincarnated to prevent, she gives Ozma the middle finger and achieves death, allowing her to kill two birds with one stone.
It did a mixture of things for me: answered some questions I'd had since the beginning and confirmed that other questions I've had since early on are correct questions to be asking.
I still speculate whether this is at the core of Ozpin's enmity with Hazel. The writers did tell us, when they were asked, that there's more to the story than what Ozpin told Oscar.
The fandom automatically assumed that Ozpin was lying to Oscar, and it certainly could be the case that the 'mission' she died on was one of these above-student-level missions that he let Teams STRQ and RWBY go on, which would reflect badly on him to bereaved family members, especially if she was brought into the academy at a much younger age than normal (like Ruby).
However, it could actually be that the missing context to this story is that Hazel's been bought into Salem's side through her weaving a tale of Ozpin's habit of getting people killed: she could have started with how he killed their own daughters — that Gretchen was one in a long line of children who have died because of Ozpin's actions and that, if he's not stopped, children are going to keep on dying.
This would certainly make sense of the things he was ranting to Ozpin about. And it would also explain why Ozpin seemed unusually aggressive, even vicious at points, while fighting Hazel — if Hazel's bought into the 'Oz murdered his own children' narrative, then the Hazel/Ozpin conflict is really about the deepest pain they both possess being manipulated by Salem for her own ends.
No, actually. Most people don't give it a pass, most of us here think the gods are a bit screwed up and there's some form of Rage Against the Heavens going on. However, we've also accepted that we're not getting our questions answered in Volume 6 and will therefore have to wait for the next trigger for this to be expanded on.
The fact is that the creators are answering the questions over time, they're just doing so at a much slower pace than most people would like.
My description is always this: each individual Maiden is only one-fifth the strength Ozma used to be. Ozma split his power five-ways to create the Maidens (four Maidens plus himself). So, no matter how impressive a Maiden may look when she fights with her magic, she's nowhere near as powerful as Ozma used to be.
So, as long as Salem hasn't been using up her magic (on Grimm, in her case — possibly Faunus, too, given some theories I have), then each Maiden's power will be dwarfed by her own for the same reason they're dwarfed by Ozma's original power level.
See, you think not addressing it immediately gives it no importance at all. I think the exact opposite: not addressing it immediately (or, as what actually happened, everyone shut down over one issue that really knocked them for six and they haven't yet come to terms with that yet) is extremely plot important.
Here's the thing. They don't know what he wants them to do. Neither do you. Neither do I. All they've done is ask him what his plan is to defeat Salem and received the answer that he doesn't have one. At that point, everything went to hell.
The thing is, they've assumed (and you, and most of the fandom) that he has no plans at all, whatsoever. But that's not what he was asked and that's not what he said.
The thing is, Ozpin has never explained why they need to go to Atlas. We can certainly make some reasonable guesses, but we don't know for certain. For instance, at the moment, they've got a Relic that has been left exposed by Raven. The obvious thing to do is get the Relic to another Relic chamber and lock it away for safe keeping. That seems to be the assumption everyone is working from (both in-universe and among the fandom). Atlas is both closer to Haven than Shade and, in-universe, Atlas seems to have the reputation for the being the strongest kingdom.
So, learning the back story doesn't change the fact that they're lugging this Relic around that desperately needs to be put somewhere. It therefore makes sense to finish getting the Relic to Atlas. At that point, they can decide if they want to do more or just go off and try and live out the rest of their lives as they once planned to do before learning anything about Cinder or Salem or Relics.
The story obviously won't let them drop out of the quest, so we can be sure something will prevent the Relics from being safe or stop them from quitting and going home if the Relic is made safe. But that doesn't change the fact they have absolutely no clue what Ozpin's intentions for them were after getting the Relic to Ironwood.
Your examples are comparing the wrong things. Learning plot back story is like learning in Harry Potter Book Book 3 that Patronus Charms take unique forms for each wizard and can change their form as a result of deep trauma.... and then having to wait until Book 7 to find out what the real plot point of this information is and why it's so very important to the final resolution of the story. Indeed, one of the most essential pieces of information required for his (what Lily's Patronus is) isn't even discussed until Book 7.
It's like giving us an entire storyline about Tom Riddle's diary in Book 2 only to be first introduced to the concept of a Horcrux and why it's so important to the plot in Book 6. Or giving us the entire back story to how Harry's parents died in Book 3 only to reveal Harry's prophecy for the first time in Book 5 and the fact he's a Horcrux in Book 7.
It's the difference between what the volume's storyline is and what the overarching story is. Volume 6's storyline was about seeing through the back story reveal to its logical conclusions, it was about how the kids cope with losing their primary adult leaders, forcing them to make the decisions themselves (with help from a little old lady along the way). The back story information is part of the overarching storyline and will therefore be dealt with over a much longer time span.
That is exactly how stories work. Some parts of the story function over a short time frame, the overarching plot unfolds over a much longer time frame. The kids taking over the decision-making is the short-term storyline (the volume's plotline). The back story information is part of the long-term storyline, unfolding over multiple volumes, not one.
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 4th 2019 at 1:41:20 PM
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Now I'm no expert, but when watching a friend die, I don't think the first desire of the mind is "protect life". That seems like a low priority on the list given the circumstances. And if it is, then remembering that moment should be on the list of things that help, as it's that moment that first unlocks the power. Clearly something there was right.
They were moving on a complaint of Ironwood's, who was executing essentially a political maneuver on Ozpin, and it's even indicated that he exaggerated some aspects.
It's a list of characters that were introduced into the show and then given absolutely nothing to do. "Forgotten" may not be the right word (or it may be, as far as we know), but the point stands: it's still bad writing to simply introduce bunches of characters into a show and have them serve no purpose whatsoever. It results in a bloated cast, as we have seen so many complain about.
But given all the trust issues they're having with Ozpin, and the knowledge that Atlas is slowly degrading into a fascist state, there's no real reason to not do what Yang suggests under the influence of the Apathy: hide the Relic in Brunswick farms and then figure out what to do from there. There's no reason to do what Ozpin said and take the Relic to Atlas, because Ozpin's very word and orders are no longer trustworthy. Like you said, put the Relic somewhere. There's no reason for that to be Atlas anymore.
Yeah, but then you don't throw the most important part of your backstory away right in the middle of a season that has nothing to do with that, do you? The explanation behind Snape's patronus being thrown into Book 3 would have messed with the order of things a bit, because yeah, that's not what that book was about. It just introduced the concept of a Patronus, it didn't commit to explaining every important bit about it.
See, I feel I should point out: a lot of the arguments, yours, mine and otherwise, that are used to defend or criticize this show, usually go with "it can be assumed that", "it's implied that", "that's usually a sign of". But very rarely do we have "the show tells us that". Because that's kind of the problem with RWBY: There's very little the show actually confirms to us. There's very little we know, but a lot of things we presume or that the show implies. We don't know Salem's plan, we just presume it (and depending on who you ask, it's an entirely different plan). We don't know if Salem can leave her realm or not. We don't know if Summer is indeed dead, if Ozpin really is the King of Vale, we don't even know exactly why Ozpin thinks the Relic should be taken to Atlas, he never said what the plan really is. We just presume it is to hide the Relic there, but as far as we know, it isn't. We don't know what Cinder's backstory is. We don't know why Salem wants Ruby alive. And we don't know what the endgame of the show is at all. We just have a ton of theories about all these things.
What do we know? Salem is immortal and hates Ozpin (he doesn't seem to reciprocate, but who knows), Ozpin was given a mission by the God Of Light and can reincarnate (we don't know if he's intent on following through with it or not at this point), we know why Salem looks like a Grimm, we know there are four Maidens (Created by Ozpin) and Four Relics (Created by the GOL), and that Ruby's Silver Eyes are the real deal (but not what their significance is).
5 things. Only one, possibly two, of which have any real bearing on the plot at large. That's all we know about a show that just finished it's sixth season. Even if we go by normal anime standards, that's three seasons at least, and we have next to nothing. You don't build a story out of "it's implied that", especially not this kind of story. This isn't the vanguard, this isn't high art, it's just a web animation, but it keeps treating it's mysteries as if they're so important that no details about anything in the show can ever actually be revealed.
And that's not even getting into the stuff that's actually happened in the show, because very little of any significance has actually happened in these six volumes.
I say all of this because reading the theories you guys come up with, the RWBY in your theories is always much more interesting than what rare little actual story we get from the show proper, and that's a real problem. In their almost patological need to withhold information for the sake of mistery, Rooster Teeth is making a show that is more fun to theorize about than it is to actually watch.
Doesn't that seem like a bit of problem to you?
Edited by TheLovecraftian on Mar 4th 2019 at 10:47:45 AM
Doesn't that seem like a bit of problem to you?
It is a problem, and it's my single greatest issue with the show; it's incredibly unfocused. There's a story they want to tell, and when it works it really works, but half the runtime is wasted on poorly done quasi-Slice of Life moments. These mystery boxes should've started opening a long time ago, and I'm not really planning on continuing to watch the show if they leave the remaining boxes closed for multiple seasons.
Edited by CaptainCapsase on Mar 4th 2019 at 8:43:25 AM
It's the failure to protect life. The point is that the protection of life is the foremost issue here.
Well, without getting into what I think about Ironwood's position there, exaggeration is going to be down to personal interpretation. However, they stripped Ozpin of his security authority and stated they'd be discussing his job after the festival was over.
As I spent the entire volume pointing out, their trust issues with Ozpin are highly selective and cherry-picked. The kids have no reason to think Atlas is degrading into a fascist state. There's every reason to question Yang's suggestion: why create these weird Relic Chambers that can only be opened by one specific person in the entire world and hide them deep inside academies that are filled with elite fighters and their students if Ozpin could have dropped the Relics into any old hole in the wilderness. Even Yang acknowledged that it wasn't solving the problem and her claim that it would take years ignores both the Grimm being attracted to it and the fact that Salem can control the Grimm. Now, no-one had a sensible discussion about it because none of them were in a fit state to do so, but Yang's suggestion was actually quite ridiculous given the kids' current level of knowledge and was rightfully dismissed once they were in a more sensible frame of mind.
The entire volume was connected to it. The consequences poured out across the entire volume, start to finish.
That's my point. The information was a set up to future reveals and did not have to be handled in the same book the information and set up occurred in. Nevertheless, the information did have consequences for the book in which it was revealed. Jinn's back story reveal does the same thing: it's relevant to the volume it's revealed in, but will also be relevant for the longer run of the story as well.
Yes. That was one of my points.
Doesn't that seem like a bit of problem to you?
We haven't been discussing my problems with the show.
Okay, take your paragraph solely by itself and with no other consideration, I will answer in this way:
No, it's not (by itself) a problem. It's exactly what I expect from storytelling. A person's ability to wonder, speculate and dream should always be greater than the story they're reading/watching.
Now, this is not the same thing as whether or not a story satisfies you. Or even whether or not you enjoy the story. It's the ability of a story to satisfy someone that ultimately determines whether or not they enjoy it for the long run, and that will be determined by a range of things — of which, the ability to generate and explore ideas that are far beyond the scope of the story being told may be one. (For some people. For others, it may not.)
Regardless of whether it's the worst story in the world or the best, I would always hope that the reader/watcher's ability to generate ideas should far exceed that work. Otherwise, what's the point?
Edited by Wyldchyld on Mar 4th 2019 at 2:06:35 PM
If my post doesn't mention a giant flying sperm whale with oversized teeth and lionfish fins for flippers, it just isn't worth reading.
Edited by Tharkun140 on Mar 4th 2019 at 12:36:08 PM
Apathy is Death. Worse than Death, because at least a rotting corpse feeds beasts and insects.