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MABfan11 from Remnant Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
Sep 18th 2019 at 3:58:54 PM

i figured people in this thread would have an interest in them since they featured an emphasis on economics and wondered if they were accurate in their depiction of it

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Fighteer Geronimo! from the Time Vortex Relationship Status: Dancing with Captain Jack Harkness
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Sep 18th 2019 at 4:20:13 PM

I haven't read them, nor am I going to read them, so if you want analysis you'll have to give some details about how they present economic ideas.

Edited by Fighteer on Sep 18th 2019 at 7:20:23 AM

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RainehDaze Even so! from Scotland Relationship Status: Mu
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Sep 18th 2019 at 7:51:18 PM

Spice and Wolf less modern economics and more how medieval trade worked. Does have a reasonably long segment on ddbasing currency IIRC, but I haven't watched in like ten years (or whenever it was broadcasting).

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M84 Such heroic nonsense from Our little blue planet Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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Sep 18th 2019 at 7:53:25 PM

Yeah, neither manga understandably has much to say about modern economics.

Edited by M84 on Sep 18th 2019 at 10:53:43 PM

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RainehDaze Even so! from Scotland Relationship Status: Mu
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Sep 18th 2019 at 7:58:29 PM

Arguably historical economic policies are still within scope, but I'm not sure anyone here has much to say about mercantilism or how the silver standard worked 500 years ago.

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DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Sep 20th 2019 at 2:53:26 PM

Oh, we have that debate every once in a while: esp. since the actual medieval economy resembles the economy you find in a typical fantasy work to no extent whatsoever.

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dRoy Perpetually clueless from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Perpetually clueless
Sep 20th 2019 at 8:55:01 PM

Speaking of which, I find it annoying so many works set in medieval fantasy just use copper-silver-gold coin system.

Admittedly, as a writer myself, I would've done the same simply because how much more convenient to both describe and get it across the readers, but still.

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Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 21st 2019 at 12:22:41 AM

[up]Well, a good half of Eurasia and quite a bit of North Africa grew up on the idea of it. Heck, even though the Indian subcontinent and the Middle Kingdom blob of variance were only lightly grazed by Greek culture, they weren't strangers to the three types of metal coinage idea.

Although... I've always preferred the whole going- symbolic-with-paper-and-strings thing, myself.

Cowerie shells, though... those have issues. tongue

Edited by Euodiachloris on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:18:19 PM

DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Sep 21st 2019 at 5:01:12 AM

The most common "currency" in feudal times were chickens.

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Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 21st 2019 at 7:14:01 AM

[up]And butter. Also, a really good home distillate could open doors. <nods>

DeMarquis Who Am I? from Hell, USA Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
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Sep 21st 2019 at 11:00:30 AM

Funny thing about "distillates", the more you trade in them, the less able you are to keep accounts.

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Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 21st 2019 at 11:11:05 AM

[up]Yup. The reason why wise traders and barterers restrict them to use as crowbars, only. [lol]

dRoy Perpetually clueless from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Perpetually clueless
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:09:47 AM

Speaking of accounting, apparently history of mathematics was practically interwined with that of accounting. Which shouldn't be surprising, really.

Also, in a more random note, during my childhood I was literally the only person ever who wanted to be an agent in my countries' equivalent of IRS. When asked why, I just said I found it really cool that even corporate leaders and high governmental officials feared them.

Unfortunately my dream was hopelessly dashed to the ground when I realized that I suck at mathematics. [lol]

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Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:16:19 AM

[up]Heck, writing and literature owe accountancy a massive debt. Were it not for needing decent records detailing shipments sent, goods received and swearing that the breakages, spoilage and/or poofed inventory had to be from somewhere else in the transport chain (honest, guv) very creatively in writing (so, I'm not liable: it was Set what sent the storm what messed with the mules!), we wouldn't have written poetry or fiction.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:30:19 PM

dRoy Perpetually clueless from The Happy Place Relationship Status: A cockroach, nothing can kill it.
Perpetually clueless
Sep 22nd 2019 at 8:16:54 AM

Huh. I never thought about that aspect, but it makes so much sense!

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Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 22nd 2019 at 11:47:19 AM

[up]It's one of the things I find funny: the push for shades of colour more precise than "red, yellow, white, black, azure" comes not from philosophy or literature... but, from traders and crafters haggling about what was bleeding meant when you ordered this batch of mosaic tiles; leaf green, spring green, teal green, sea-green, teal blue, sky blue or the flipping darkest blueish purple I can get cobalt to go if I get really lucky (it doesn't look like "wine" to me, but, since you're the idiot who is paying...)?

Edited by Euodiachloris on Sep 22nd 2019 at 7:55:25 PM

Robrecht Your friendly neighbourhood Regent Relationship Status: They can't hide forever. We've got satellites.
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Sep 22nd 2019 at 12:20:04 PM

we wouldn't have written poetry or fiction.

I mean... That's a nice narrative, but it's not exactly realistic.

We've been telling stories, including made up ones, long before we ever started writing them down.

Writing systems themselves did of course stem directly from accounting, but the notion of stories did not.

Edited by Robrecht on Sep 22nd 2019 at 9:20:17 PM

Euodiachloris Relationship Status: Is that a kind of food?
Sep 22nd 2019 at 1:19:51 PM

[up]Yes. But, to get to "Friends, Romans, countrymen; lend me your ears." being written down in actual symbols, you need those nouns and verbs to be made into legible analogues. Which... ultimately come from columns of goods and services — also labels.

Writing fiction down needs the accounts (and excuses); making fiction up around the fire? Not so much. Fireside tales and epics always come first; I didn't say otherwise, mate.

But, writing things down changes how a language gets used, too. Which impacts how stories get structured.

Edited by Euodiachloris on Sep 22nd 2019 at 9:24:04 AM

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