Shingeki no Kyojin/Attack on Titan (Manga Discussion)

We have evidence that Eren touching Historia isn't enough because it only gave him his father's memories without any memories from the Fritz line.

Maybe because she's illegitimate or doesn't actually have the Founding Titan herself.

Also, is the assumption at this point that the Reiss family after just the Fritzes? I was always under the impression the Fritz line was always a ruse, or is the assumption that the the line changed its name

Considering that at the time he was suicidal and had no real idea what was going on, unlike when he punched Dina, and it seemed more like Rod was the ones directing what he saw, and also the fact that was only the third time he had used it ever (second being seeing Frieda's memory when he touched Historia, and that time nobody was trying to do anything); I'm going to say that is insufficient evidence to determine his ability to use the Coordinate while touching a human Fritz/Reiss.

Well we know that Dina Fritz was legit royal family, and Zeke even without having the Coordinate gets hax powers because of it. So historically it's them, but at some point in the Walls they went into hiding, presumably after pulling a mindwipe.

edited 3rd Jan '18 4:19:10 PM by TheAirman

I remember that Isayama interview where he said that he found Eren too perfect and wanted to make him less hero-like… Welp, there you have it. >.> Interestingly, that last exchange with Mikasa makes it sound like the others weren't entirely on board with this plan…

The Warhammer is pretty cool, though I wish the girl having it was a bit more… introduced? If she was, I don't remember it.

I think in some ways it fits, since Isayama seems to be fond of having a significant character linger in the background. Bertolt and Ymir were in the background just kinda there, right up until their major time to shine. Similarly, Lady Tybur has been there the entire time and gotten focused on without it seeming like she was important.

It seems to be a common trick for the Eldians, at any rate. Have a figurehead that keeps attention focused on them, while the real power lingers at their side and seems unimportant.

Which is what happened with the Fritz/Reiss thing. Considering that they knew ahead of time Marley would come eventually, it's likely they picked some random folks to stand in as the Fritz family while they changed their names and went into hiding. With their ruse being aided by the nobility, who are non-Eldians controlling the government while the King stayed hidden. It's interesting, reflecting back on what we know about the ethnic cleansing that took place within the Walls and how the nobles turned out to not be Eldians. It seems like a bunch of non-Eldians went with the King, and then the ones that weren't part of his inner circle got slowly hunted down to cement the Big Lie and the nobility's control over the Walls.

edited 3rd Jan '18 5:03:54 PM by harostar

Lady Tibur along with the very large guard she had in a lot of the shots to the point that a portion of people were already guessing that she was the actual Warhammer Titan and that Willy was just bait.

I personally found the reveal that she was the shifter was well done (with her standing alone next to the dead guard as Eren is killing the Marley army) and I love her Titan's design.

Kind of makes me wonder back to that cult who took a random homeless girl to pose as Ymir. Amusing coincidence of deception.

To think them titanizing a cult for heresy / disturbing order would bite them in the ass years later: losing a Warrior, jeopardizing the other Warriors' plan and denying them the Coordinate, etc.

Overly brutal, inhuman, oppressive regimes causing their own downfall?

Who could have predicted that?

It's really quite fascinating how every past event in the series was a cog in the chain of events that led to the current situation. I mean that's kinda how a plot works, but it all clicks really well here.

Titanizing Dina Yaeger and letting her loose on the island only for her to run into Eren a second time where he first discovers the Coordinate Power is another amusing event.

Not really talking about downfall here; this requires bigger, direct events. Ymir, either unconsciously or with no intention of getting herself involved, still manages to throw a wrench into Marley's plans. That's different from a dictator dying or pissing enough people off to trigger a revolution.

I've actually always thought that wasn't a coincidence. Dina's last words/thoughts were she'd find Grisha. So where does she go in that first attack? Grisha's house. The second time? Grisha's son. Something about Grisha/Grisha's scent, DNA, or whatever else, naturally attracts the Smiling Titan.

I'm thinking it's more along the lines of royal blood + P A T H S fuckery. We know that Zeke, even without the Coordinate, has abilities unique to him that previous Beast shifters lacked, and his royal lineage is the only explanation for that. Maybe Dina's vow to find Grisha overwrote Smiling Titan's prime directive from "eat everyone until you're a shifter" to "prioritize Jaeger (and eat everyone who gets in the way)", and then somehow was led to Grisha/Eren via P A T H S

Agreed. We saw from the Wall Maria flashback that Dina-Titan completely ignored the Warriors and headed straight for the Yeager household. Because of her final thoughts/focus as a human, she kept pursuing the Yeagers at every opportunity.

Kind of like Connie's mother was able to greet him and that one Titan still showed reverence to "Ymir-sama". It was something they were fixated on as humans, that translated over into their Titan-locked mind.

In the case of Ymir inadvertantly fucking over Marley. Any other Titan could of done the same by that point. Marley's issue is sending a bunch of children on such a horrible mission like that was beyond stupid. They are lucky that all of the Warriors wearn't killed by Titans or the Walldians.

edited 4th Jan '18 10:16:01 PM by Wispy

Just read chapter 100-101.

Oh man, I love it. Each chapter makes me anticipate for the next chapter more.

I just knew that unlike the Marleys having experience fighting Titans was going to be an important factor.

Welp, finally read it.

It's not like we didn't know Gabi was gonna be another Eren, but now she's had her origin.

Who knows what's gonna happen from here on in.

New Smart Pass content is pure crack and fanservice.

It's one of the "After Midnight" stories, which involves someone telling a story to their comrades in order to stay awake.

It takes place during the 104th's days of training, when they had to do an overnight march. They make Reiner tell them a story, and he recounts how during a recent training exercise, it rained really bad.

While he was cleaning up, the girls interrupted him and ended up Eating the Eye Candy. It ends up with them asking to touch his 6-pack and then Ymir goading them into feeling him up all over.

Jean throws a tantrum about not getting felt up by the girls, while Reiner is like "...kay?" (More evidence that he's gay?)

edited 27th Jan '18 3:52:56 PM by harostar

I wish the reason Eren learned about the Marleyans and the Shifter trio's reasons for their actions is because Annie was revived during the timeskip and told them all this. Suppose he just learned it all being a spy, but a silly fan can hope.

It's a possibility, I would assume that Eren to have not been in Marley as long considering he snuck in with other damaged Eldiam soldiers with no known family to take care of them. The timeline on that isn't really clear but I would assume it might be a few months at the most before the Festival.

I agree, I wouldn't suppose he learned all that from inside the hospital, especially not about the shifter trio. Of course Isayama can come up with whatever he wants, but the most shocking reveal would be to have Annie being awake and having told what we were shown during Reiner's wall Maria flashbacks which might explain why Eren now seemed almost sympathetic towards Reiner (what a contrast to their previous encounter). We've heard time and again how little Annie cared for her mission (as late as the chapter 96 flashback where she lashes out and says Marley and Eldia could all fuck themselves), so there still seems the possibility of her somehow changing sides, if anything just to get back to her father (whom we also recently got reminded of is alive and waiting for her).

... unless she just gets the Ymir fate and died offscreen in order to transfer the Female titan power.

Chapter's out. The Warhammer Titan is hax as hell.

Well this one is a doozie.

So some interesting things to note here. Mikasa definetly does not agree with what Eren did and it's somewhat implied Jean (whom grew up nicely jesus chrised) doesn't either as he tells the Walldian soldiers to minimize civilian damage. Floch actually agrees with what Eren did. Connie turned out to be pretty tall much to my surprise although his face never changed and he is good with bombs. Sasha also is a crazy sniper with a gun as she scored a headshot on the gatekeeper guy a well distance away. Also, Levi showed up and partially stops the Jaws Titan from trying to eat Eren. The Warhammer Titan is indeed ridiculously hacks, she can create any weapon not just hammers as shown by her turning her arm into a crossbow to try to kill Eren after Mikasa blew up her nape. It also turns out she doesn't reside in the nape but instead resides in a crystal that looks very similar to Annie's which was hidden in a hole the stage created.

The only kills the Marleyans have gotten so far are from Pieck of course. That might change as it looks like Zeke is on the enemy side but Levi, Eren, and everyone else that has appeared so far is still in the game. I also imagine Armin and Annie (or whomever got her power) is going to show up really soon. This next chapter is definetly going to be a bloodbath.

edited 7th Feb '18 4:22:53 AM by Wispy