Baldr Sky (P5 only)

Can I just ask two simple questions:

1. Is this work pedo-pandering?

2. Is it pornography?

I think the answer to 1. is "yes."

But then again, I'm always quicker to think that than anyone else. Use your judgment.

My view is no and no, as was stated earlier, for the reasons that were stated earlier.

edited 17th May '12 6:47:10 PM by SilverBeta

1. I say no. The guidelines say yes. People have been getting really worked up over this one because nobody actually cares about seeing little girls naked, they want a story about nanotech and all the other stuff that was mentioned before. The characters look like children but act like adults and the reason they look young is even part of the story. I'm not going to blame you if you decide to devilhead it, but in this case I guess I really do disagree with the policy.

Kinda annoying to me since I had originally intended to stick by it even if I disagreed but I guess I couldn't hold to that resolve.

2. Not at all. Anything that has been fan translated is almost certain not to be porn. Who would spend that much time on a project like that?

edited 17th May '12 6:43:06 PM by Arha

That's incorrect. There are at least 3 scenes that contradict what you just said.

Chintasu and "Male friend from highschool whose name I forgot" get raped by internet copies of Kuu, who is meant to be the image of Sora when she was underaged. There is also a sex scene with Sora in highschool as a secret scene you unlock.

It's got a significant amount of pedo-pandering.

Depending on whether Dive X gets translated, we have another slew of things to mention from that disc. Among others, you rape a grey-haired highschool-aged girl. There's also the aforementioned Kuu who has the mentality of a child in the scenes you have sex with her in.

edited 17th May '12 7:04:35 PM by Handlerofjustice

...3 scenes out of how many overall scenes?

And is one of those scenes you pointed to really just from extra content, or am I misinterpreting that?

edited 17th May '12 7:07:08 PM by Raidouthe21st

the way things have been going high school (16-18 in japan if I remember) is not pedo pandering.

you didn't note how they looked you just said high school, I know you said something abut how they look a page or two back I am just noting that being 17 isn't an auto cut.

edited 17th May '12 7:15:53 PM by Shadis

What does its frequency have to do with anything?

It's an unlockable scene.

What about characters who look like children?

edited 17th May '12 7:09:42 PM by Handlerofjustice

Policy dictates characters who look like children are verboten.

In which case, Baldr Sky should be cut.

Because it shows what the focus of the work is and whether it's really "paedo-pandering" or not. If it's just one scene out of a thousand, is the work really intending to pander to pedophiles, or is it just an odd moment out?

...Oh, never mind. From what I've seen one of those weird exceptions that could literally go either way, depending on personal opinion...me, from what I've heard and read and seen, it's not pedo-pandering. It's somewhat close due to the perceived ages, but doesn't go over the limit.

edited 17th May '12 7:21:02 PM by Raidouthe21st

Maybe if you had actually played the game, you would be in agreement with me.

Maybe. Then again, I could have played the game and come to a very different conclusion then yours, good sir.

edited 17th May '12 7:24:25 PM by Raidouthe21st

It is likely that if I had actually played Baldr Sky I'd feel even more strongly about the issue, actually. If I had read Baldr Sky, I would probably know that it had a good story instead of just hearing people tell me how great it is.

It just doesn't seem as though it should be cut outright.

Highly doubtful.

Why not?

edited 17th May '12 7:33:15 PM by Handlerofjustice

Because I happen to feel that the other merits of the work outweigh the distasteful pedo ones, which mostly appear to actually involve mental adults. I'm aware that the guidelines probably don't agree with me on this.

In any case, I suggest we take a break from discussing this. We'd just be going in circles when it's likely the P5 are already considering the issue. If they need additional information they can ask for it.

edited 17th May '12 8:07:35 PM by Arha

Sounds like an edge case to me, but then again, you guys all know what i think.

So is the highly problematic material currently being discussed solely from the second installment? Because if so, there remains the option of confining the page to the first installment.

Actually reading the page does seem to indicate, however, that the two may be more closely related than a normal sequel, in which case it could be impractical to enforce any such restriction.

@post 105: Pirate Kuus are cyber NP Cs for goodness sake. It is a great stretch to say that the ordinary age standards apply. Okay, I guess the Dive1 secret file slipped my mind, since I never paid much attention to the secret files and it's completely segregated and separated from the main plot of the game. Even so, it has been pointed out that there is precedent for highschool in Japan not meaning underaged, which covers both Sora's secret file and Kuu if you insist. I maintain that "It's got a significant amount of pedo-pandering." is an inaccurate statement.

And his name is Masa-san, how could you forget?

If we're going to talk segregation, frankly Dive X is just a supplementary fandisk that Dive1+2 stands separate from just fine. It's unimportant enough that the project translator does not feel that he has to translate it and currently has no plans to. Whereas Dive1 and Dive2 are essentially a single game that was released in two parts, six months apart, and more likely than not can be considered a one game for the price of two deal.

I'm not sure how much 'otakuspeak' my post uses, besides the term 'fandisk'. Which essentially means 'bonus game sold long afterwards that adds nothing to the plot in order to squeeze out some more cash'. The point I was trying to make was that there are no instances of underage fornication in the game. Anyway, my fourteen s removed and replaced.

edited 18th May '12 4:07:00 AM by SilverBeta

What did all that mean? Don't use more than 1 , it's confusing and takes too much work to count the arrows and then scroll all the way up, counting posts. Just type @Username or @Post Number or something.

Other then that, there was too much otakuspeak in there and I have no idea what point you were trying to make.

And even a little bit of pedoshit is too much. Why do all these Japanese cartoon animes video game novels have to have some pedophile options? I just don't understand it.

edited 18th May '12 3:54:41 AM by Martello

I assume it to be related to the phenomenon of Kawaii and Moe that has surged in the last decade or so.

They seem to have something of a fixation of youth and innocence. See also Christmas Cake

edited 18th May '12 3:59:30 AM by TheFoxsCloak

I don't know what Kawaii and Moe are and I don't plan on finding out. Let's keep this in English, please.

Cuteness and characters that inspire protective feelings, to put it simply.

Basically, it's about the fetishization (and I'm not just talking about the sexual kind) of "cuteness" and innocence.

edited 18th May '12 5:48:13 AM by Komodin

, Bingo.