The Place for Purging Porn and Pedo-Pandering (AKA P5 flag evaluations)

Except it's Scottish.

Fuck, sorry. I clearly need to get my coffee before posting here.

@5496: Still waiting for an official policy on that, as far as I know. (There's a thread in Wiki Talk about it - "Question about Trope Entries & Cut Series". No action since the beginning of the month though, and that's if you count me saying what I think about it as action...)

-see page image for Sekien no Inganock-

... Okay, what's the deal with this.

Maybe he's saving that cute kid from the end of the world there?

...Meh, worst thing about that image is the psychadelic colors.

Found a couple of reviews, sir. Seems to be a case of the sex taking a big backseat to the story and the mindscrew.

Of course, there is a translation patch right on the trope page, should check it out to be sure.

edited 18th Jun '12 2:42:01 PM by Raidouthe21st

Re: Sekien no Inganock

VNDB page is here. Doesn't look like the little girl is involved in any sex.

edited 18th Jun '12 2:42:39 PM by tdgoodrich1

Well, it's probably not porn, just from looking at the CG. Out of 108 CG pictures, 17 had visible nipples, I don't think I saw any with visible genitals.

The only problematic stuff I saw from just that was that there's appears to be a scene where the little blond girl on the cover has her shirt off and the main character (I'm guessing) has his hand on her chest. Without playing the game I can't tell how sexual it's supposed to be. I don't think they're having sex though.

He's the girl's father figure. We do see the little girl naked, but I don't think it was sexualization. There's no sex with her. Flagging Sekien No Inganock is just stupid.

From what I saw of the CG's, I believe Arha on this.

He's also a doctor with magic powers. So, shirt off + Hand on chest might be him diagnosing a problem with his magic powers.

I think she had a freak out in the shower and stayed under cold water for a couple hours or something while he was out. When he got back, he had to take care of her.

Yeah, I'm thinking Sekien no Inganock is pretty much safe.

From the descriptions I've seen given if sounds like soft core porn combined with some kind of romance plot.

Honestly, while I was kind of surprised at how explicit the sex-scenes were, they're not THAT explicit, I doubt anyone would have batted an eye had it been live-action, and you can find more explicit descriptions in just about any book (Excession just to pick the one I'm reading now)

So unless the incest pulls it over the edge it's not that bad. (well, actually it IS bad, badly written and directed and it's just plain boring, but the sex scenes aren't anything to get worked up about)

edited 18th Jun '12 4:13:29 PM by Arilou

Which work are you refering too?

I ask because that sounds like fifty shades of gray to me.

edited 18th Jun '12 4:23:27 PM by Shadis

^ I believe so. Sekien No Inganock doesn't have anything like that. Plus bad writing has been frequently mentioned in regards to Fifty Shades Of Gray.

edited 18th Jun '12 4:28:01 PM by Arha

I'm pretty sure they're talking about Yosuga no Sora. We were talking about it last page.

Oh right I forgot that had sex scenes in it. Never watched it. Never mind.

Oh, but for what it's worth, I don't think the incest thing should count against it. If it's porn, it's porn, but if it's not it doesn't seem like the job of the P5 to judge what kind of sexual content is permissible or not unless it's pedo stuff.

edited 18th Jun '12 5:01:58 PM by Arha

Yes, incest is completely irrelevant. As are any of the harsher fetishes other than pedophilia. Now, works that have the really squicky stuff like guro tend to be Porn Without Plot anyway, but that's neither here nor there.

Re: Yosuga No Sora

Since we may actually need it:

Preliminary report:

• Demographic: Seinen Disclaimer
  English Wikipedia's veracity with regard to demographics has been disputed
  Other Manga in Same Magazine
  School Days, Little Busters, Melty Blood
• Manga and anime both unlicensed in US

Will evaluate one ep. from each arc.

Noted. Two it is.

edited 18th Jun '12 5:58:46 PM by tdgoodrich1

Honestly, I'd suggest at last two (the final one and one other) Wouldn't really be very representative otherwise.

The Yosuga no Sora manga ran in Monthly Comp Ace. Japanese Wikipedia doesn't give a demographic. The fact that it runs a lot of adaptations of H-games and late night anime suggests Seinen, but they put furigana readings on the kanji, suggesting Shounen.

So it's probably aimed at high school students and young college students like Champion Red.

edited 18th Jun '12 8:18:08 PM by KuroBaraHime

Re: Yosuga No Sora ep. 3:

Brief dirty imagine spot less than three minutes in in which protagonist fantasizes about the sisters engaging in cunnilingus with each other. Nipples are shown, genitals are obscured. Lasted less then 10 sec. Beyond that, standard fanservice tropes, and a wardrobe malfunction in the omake. On the plus side, production values are higher than I expected. Not that that's hard for most h-game adaptations.

Episode 4: 1.5 min explicit onscreen sex scene at end of episode proper. The series has no qualms showing breasts, never explicitly depicts genitals.

Ep. 5: Nudity and implicit sex. No explicit depiction of genitals.

Ep. 6: Explicit onscreen sex, no explicit depiction of genitals. Honestly, I'm comfortable calling things here.

Verdict: Keep, clean (if necessary), possibly lock

Pro:

• Definitely no pedopandering
• No explicit depiction of genitals
• Sex scenes are brief
• According to work page, manga is comparatively clean
• VNDB page suggests game meets standards (low sexual content, late sexual content tags)

Con:

• Explicit onscreen sex in 3/4 eps. viewed
• No qualms about nudity

Thanks for the info, Kuro.

edited 18th Jun '12 7:43:38 PM by tdgoodrich1

It seems that Nana's Everyday Life is listed for review, and surprisingly, it's gotten one devilhead so far. I'm not sure where the right place is to bring this up — I stopped actively following this discussion a while back — but I'm curious why it's considered problematic.

Its tone can basically be summed up as Black Comedy which veers into senseless tragedy (basically, like Elfen Lied, but more so, and with a heavy dose of bleak humor and futility), and it never seems to be portrayed with any doubt that what happens to Nana is anything but horrific and disturbing. It's certainly not porn, and I can't see how it's pandering to pedophiles, so I'm unclear on what's unsuitable about it.

I can easily tell you why.

First 11 comics are graphic enough to possibly squick people away from continuing.

...Not that I personally think it's that bad, but I can understand why other people would find it warrants review.

edited 18th Jun '12 8:23:52 PM by Raidouthe21st