Embarassing crap on the wiki

@Seknahte: Like I said, What You Don't Know, at the very least, isn't just wank material. I can imagine people wanking to it, but I've heard people talk about trying to wank to Requiem For A Dream, and I don't think that's porn.

edited 10th Apr '12 7:49:21 PM by feotakahari

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Feo, could you explain why we need pages that gush about cartoon characters fucking?

That link, don't rec idea will not make things better. Why would we need to rec it?

edited 10th Apr '12 7:54:03 PM by maybesomeone

... wut.

Okay, serious poker face here. What about when the Fanfic in question is linked to a place with NSFW ads, I.E. Danbooru.

edited 10th Apr '12 7:51:30 PM by Psyga315

I'm going to argue that all explicit fic is not wank material. There are quite a few fan fics I've read that have hundreds of pages, with one explicit sex scene at the end of long character development. Having one sex scene doesn't make something just wank material. That's painting things with a very broad brush.

The same is true of non-fan fic material. I wouldn't call The Tudors just wank material even if it's on the Explicit Content index.

edited 10th Apr '12 7:52:39 PM by shimaspawn

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Meh. The stuff that's not outright fapfic is so few and far between that it would be better to just zap all of it.

edited 10th Apr '12 7:52:14 PM by setnakhte

"Roll for whores."

Then don't link it, but still rec it. My one and only rec falls into that, and I also made sure to add in a commented out line not to add links.

edited 10th Apr '12 7:52:26 PM by Discar

This.

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People wank to anything. The key difference is what the work aims to do. Requiem For A Dream is the story of four characters falling into the deepest pit a human being can possibly fall in. For some of the characters, sex factors into it (Connelly's character becomes a prostitute, as I recall)

The issue is that most, if not all sexual fanfics are based around the core idea of seeing two characters I really like in an aesthetical way having sex. Some use this to do something more meaningful and powerful, and if anything, I'd say those are the fics we should recommend, but in my very short experience trawling F. Recs, that isn't really the case.

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Going to have to agree with Shima; there have been fairly respectable novels published with content that is outright pornographic, just not the main draw of the works in question.

Nevertheless, I think we can draw the line at sexually explicit fanfics of children's cartoons.

edited 10th Apr '12 7:55:35 PM by BobbyG

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Hmm...but it seems to me that it's up to everyone's opinion of the work's artistic merit. Some people might think My Show Fic is horrible crap that ruins humanity and causes genocide and I might think Your Show Fic is horrible crap that causes horse rape, but if we all have clear guidelines like "No under 16s. Don't get too descriptive" We can live and let live.

Reposting my original suggestion:

on top of

One Piece blog Beyond the Lampshade

Do we even have a good reason to keep them at all? I'm just wondering.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:19:19 PM by maybesomeone

It has been decided by the powers that be that that would be too prudish.

"Roll for whores."

@Maybe: Like I said before, fanfic recs does not serve the site's mission in any way, and the site would not suffer if it was removed. It's just an added bonus.

That's Feo . . . He's a disgusting, mysoginistic, paedophilic asshat who moonlights as a shitty writer—Something Awful

So why keep them? It isn't even a good bonus. I asked if you could give me a good reason to keep fanfic recs and you couldn't come up with one.

Fanfic recs is very subjective and many of the fanfics in them are far from that 10 percent.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:23:44 PM by maybesomeone

The pages say the reason in every page. "Proof that the remaining 10% is worth dying for here:"

At least in my opinion.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:22:37 PM by Psyga315

Fanfic recs is very subjective and many of the fanfics in them are far from that 10 percent and certainly aren't worth dying for.

I'd rather blast the whole thing but it sadly looks like that isn't happening for some reason.

But not everything in fanfic recs is even decent.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:33:43 PM by maybesomeone

Okay, first we're talking about excluding explicit fics of series whose cast is underage, and now we're talking about scrapping Fanfic Recs altogether? I'm kinda confused here...

Experience has taught me to investigate anything that glows.

You're not the only one. Let's just stick to the fact that we're trying to eliminate the embarrassing crap on this wiki and not go off on tangents like if Fanfic Reccs should be cut.

It's still a good reason to keep it, but that's besides the point.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:34:39 PM by Psyga315

It's the corollary to Sturgeon's Law. If 90% of everything is crud, the remaining 10% is worth dying for. It's sort of the fan fic motto.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:34:27 PM by Discar

But with Fanfiction its' Double Sturgeon'sLaw. 99% of it is garbage, and only 1% is passable. And the stuff that is passable is usually written as a parody of fanfiction.

Anyway, I'm with the whole no recommendations of fanfics about family media with explicit material. I'd rather get rid of the page outright, but if it's going to stay then the no explicit family media rule should apply.

edited 10th Apr '12 8:45:32 PM by Akagikiba

Agreed. It's too much trouble and we have no good reason to keep it.

Remember what happened last time? It isn't going to work, sadly.

Maybe, but are these fanfics doing anything good for us? Especially the disgusting ones we mentioned earlier?

edited 10th Apr '12 8:50:59 PM by maybesomeone

So, how do we determine this officially? Don't we need some sort of crowner?

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There are a lot of Fanfiction fans on the site, it is a big part of the community....

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I want to say that Sturgeon's Law's entire point is that the "balance" of 1 out of ten can't be shaken or violated for any group. So you either accept that thhe ten per cent of stuff is good or you don't.

I'd argue that the issue with Fanfic is not that the proportion is different so much as that there simply is too much fanfic. I mean, every single wannabe writer attempts it at least once.

Either way, that's hardly relevant and just there to satisfy my need to be a pedant.

As for the matter at hand, I reiterate that while I want the Fanfic Recs to go away, they won't go away because people like them. As such, I'd prefer if we set up some standards. now, the current ones are not working so adding to them seems like the smartest move. As such, I think that Bobby and Autumn's idea should go through.

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