Frozen (Disney film)

Which makes most of the post F2 books feel hollow.

What happens in those books?

They're individual stories of mostly Anna with one of only Elsa. And Anna went from knocking on Elsa's door hoping that one day she would get an answer to not caring if she doesn't see Elsa for months at a time.

Why are the characters with more angstier stories to tell not getting spotlighted on these days?

It's wasted potential if you ask me.

More like they have no idea what to do with Elsa in her magical forest, because they never took the time to clarify what the eff she's supposed to be doing there.

Here's me hoping the books keeping the sisters apart is simply a way to avoid encroaching on a hypothetical future film or short where they reunite.

By the way... Frozen 2 was announced in March 2015, so if we keep the same delay from the release of the film maybe we would hope for some interesting news next month (and which would not be "Olaf goes fishing" or "Bruni goes on a trip").

I haven’t seen the film in a while, but I thought the implication was that Elsa was going to help the Northuldra rebuild civilization.

Wasn’t the whole theme supposed to be righting the wrongs of ancestors and the dangers of colonialism?

Edited by deuteragonist on Feb 25th 2021 at 5:59:53 AM

It is never really made clear. Elsa decides that "her place is here (in the forest)" and later on Anna tells her to "keep looking after the forest". And Elsa looks ecstatic when riding back to Ahtohallan. That's all we got, really. Maybe they kept this ambiguous so that people would be able to imagine anything they want about what Elsa does over there.

The artbook implied the ending was going involve Arendelle's castle being destroyed and the people of Arendelle and Northuldra building a new one combining their cultures to symbolize their new union, so it's likely when they shelved that ending they didn't really think that hard about the specifics of what happens in a concrete sense.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 25th 2021 at 9:42:39 AM

Again, I would ask, why didn't they go through with that far superior ending?

The rumor is because of the World of Frozen parks planning to build the old design for the castle so the film couldn't change it because the parks didn't have time to design for a new castle.

(And then as fate would have it, most of the parks ended up being closed a few months later so the castle construction was delayed anyway. )

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Feb 25th 2021 at 3:10:46 AM

Bloody greed...

The (not necessarily mutually exclusive) version I had heard was that a first screening to test audiences was liked by adults, but not very well understood by children, so they had to change the ending at the last minute. Hence why everything feels so rushed and unexplained.

I'd really liked to see that first screening. And it's too bad they decided to cut the scene where Elsa shows Anna a memory of their parents and Anna understands Elsa will stay before she says anything.

I never got that sort of logic behind cutting and editing.

The only way kids are gonna see this movie is with their parents' money, and most of them would have their parents chaperone them in the theaters.

So why production teams would decide to dumb down films (or shows) that are supposed to be enjoyed by the whole family for the sake of little kids is beyond me.

The film's rated PG. The parents are most likely gonna be with their children.

The children can ask questions afterwards if they didn't understand any part of the story.

Don't talk down to your audience, for heaven's sake.

Why that was cut instead of some of the other actually dumb, time-wasting scenes, I'll never understand.

Maybe they thought the parents wouldn't understand it either? If there are parents who don't understand it, how would they explain it to their kids? At least, that's the logic they seem to be going for.

There's a part of me that wonders if Disney was trying to appeal to people who didn't really like the first Frozen anyway, to people who don't understand why Anna and Elsa should be together and wouldn't care if they were separated at the end.

The thing that I can't quite wrap my head around is that Frozen Fever, which was done by the same creative team as Frozen and Frozen 2, was completely in line with Frozen as far as the sisters' relationship was concerned. No matter how much I try, I have trouble understanding how they went from "the sisters are reunited and caring from each other" to "they live miles apart and are OK with it". Unless the aesop is that family members being separated from one another when growing older is the normal way to go.

Frozen is Anna & Elsa together. Kristoff, Olaf, and Sven are their family too, but not the focus of the franchise. Everyone acting happy in the post-F2 books without Elsa like she doesn't exist anymore after everything the sisters went through to be together is so wrong.

Apparently the Frozen musical will begin in London this summer.

And with the Brexit and the pandemic situation in my bloody country, chances are I will not be able to get a chance to watch it before it gets cancelled.

Did anyone notice how Toy Story 4 and Frozen II have basically the same ending?

Except not really,you'll have to back that up claim with evidence

The iconic main character chooses to leave their home. It's just coincidental.

Nah, it's not coincidental as they both came out during a "separation endings" phase.

wow you bumped the thread by a month

I recall making the claim that Frozen 2's ending is overly simplistic regarding its "relationship between humans and nature" themes, and Accented Cinema's video essay on Princess Mononoke is a perfect example of what the standard ought to be for an animated film that tackles that theme.

Humans have a legitimate need to use natural resources too, and no environmental message, whether an Aesop in a fictional work or in real life, can work without acknowledging that.

Edited by PRC4Eva on Jun 17th 2021 at 10:45:27 AM

You're comparing a Disney movie to a Studio Ghibli movie. That's like comparing McDonald's to the Ivy.

Edited by HBarnill on Jun 17th 2021 at 5:24:46 AM