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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4701: Oct 1st 2018 at 7:13:56 PM

[up]Do you think the NAFTA deal, and the minor concession on dairy, was a factor?

Nope

The trend was set long before today.

Interesting to note that a lot of the projections were off by more than the margin of error.

Like I said on this thread last page. Quebecers are flickle and polls attempt to predict tend to not fare too well, especially when it comes to translating polls into numbers of seats. Especially in recent decade. See also the Orange Wave. I admit I am surprised how strongly the CAQ won and how badly the Liberals got destroyed.

Be interesting to see the long term political landscape in Quebec now, the PQ is projected to lose official status in the Assembly. Now both major parties are federalist, though with very different approaches.

That's the silver lining. The PQ is prone to infighting like no other Canadian party. Lisée is done as leader. But they got no one else. It's going to be their third leadership race in 4 or 5 years. They have NO ONE who can save them, and the PQ's inability to learn the current political landscape is going to result in hilarity. It will be like watching people in a sinking boat too busy to stab each other to do anything about the leak and in firm denial about the water that's filling the hull.

It'll be a spectacle. One I can't wait to see and I can't even begin to predict the plot twists!

More importantly Quebec Solidaire, the Far Left / Marxist Independance party effectively matched them in numbers of votes, and maybe in seats. They went from 3 seats to a projected 10. And the PQ spent the last two weeks shitting on them note . Now QS looks like the new hot kid who is eating the PQ's lunch, with the wind in their sails. And the PQ basically torpedoed any chance at looking to QS as a lifeline during the campaign.

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 1st 2018 at 10:26:42 AM

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4702: Oct 1st 2018 at 10:27:24 PM

Surprising no one, Lisée resigns from the PQ Leadership. He got defeated in his own riding by a QS star candidate.

Like I said above, this was expected. There was no way he was going to wait and give people time to sharpen their knives.

It's also confirmed now that QS actually got one more seat than the PQ, even if the PQ is 1 percent ahead in vote numbers.

“This was not the result we were hoping for,” Lisée said.

Understatement of the Century there.

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 1st 2018 at 1:29:57 PM

Oazard from Quebec City, Quebec, Canada Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#4703: Oct 2nd 2018 at 5:06:59 AM

More importantly Quebec Solidaire, the Far Left / Marxist Independance party

QS is not considered Far Left or Marxist by anyone except Lisée when he started to get desperate. Most politic analysts put them as a Left party and they believe in a stronger social-democracy, not a communist revolution. [1]

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4704: Oct 2nd 2018 at 5:13:19 AM

QS is not considered Far Left or Marxist by anyone except Lisée when he started to get desperate.

Their spokesperson thinks they are Marxist, but hey, what does she know? She's only the person they put forward to become Prime Minister if they won...

Have you actually read their old playtform too? Which outright include the nationalisation of various industries, state mandated salaries across the board, among various other things.

Yeah, not everyone with them is marxist, but their program and core values are heavily shaped by it and heavily inspired by it. And like the link shows, it's a label they outright accept.

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 2nd 2018 at 8:18:28 AM

Oazard from Quebec City, Quebec, Canada Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Married to the job
#4705: Oct 2nd 2018 at 5:36:22 AM

The article clearly say that they don't care what their opponents call them, if other say they are marxist, then yes they are.

Have you actually read their old playtform too? Which outright include the nationalisation of various industries, state mandated salaries across the board, among various other things.

Is it not their current platform? I know they want to nationalise the mining industry and the intercity buses and they want to add a maximum salary. (Which is something like you cannot earn more than 30 times the lowest salary in the company if I remember well.)

Edited by Oazard on Oct 2nd 2018 at 9:16:59 AM

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4707: Oct 17th 2018 at 2:22:54 AM

Marijuana is now legal in the country.

CBP is made aware of this and have the right to ask if anyone smoked it or not.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#4708: Oct 22nd 2018 at 6:16:09 PM

John Tory has been re-elected as Mayor of Toronto.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/toronto-municipal-election-mayor-council-2018-results-1.4873493

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4709: Oct 24th 2018 at 4:16:46 PM

Haven't found an english source, but Maxime Bernier claiming CO2 doesn't cause climate change because it feeds plants and other reasons that were logic defying (Including a tangent comparing CO 2 to food, and talking about how one can die from over hydration) during a press conference described as surreal by the journalists. Before doing a 180 on that

Oh, he also mentioned he's not convinced climate change is caused by human activities in case one wants to forget we have those here too.

Edited by Ghilz on Oct 24th 2018 at 7:19:36 AM

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#4710: Oct 24th 2018 at 7:05:26 PM

South Korea announced to South Koreans living/working in Canada that they'll be in trouble if and when they are arrested for smoking marijuana there due to the strict anti-drug laws it has.

The laws IIRC can have Seoul prosecute them even if they are known to not smoke it in South Korea.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#4711: Oct 24th 2018 at 7:35:56 PM

[up][up]Climate change denialism is standard fare among the CPC, no surprise that Bernier holds to that belief.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#4712: Oct 27th 2018 at 10:31:01 AM

Tim Houston has won the Nova Scotia Progressive Conservative leadership on the first ballot.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/nova-scotia/progressive-conservative-party-halifax-1.4880750

He doesn't seem that bad, he's moderate enough that I can see myself voting PC to turf Mc Neil next election.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4713: Nov 2nd 2018 at 5:33:53 AM

There's a Supreme court Judgement awaited today on a case opposing the Government of Newfoundland and Hydro-Quebec, the Quebec Government Corporation that provides power to the province.

in 1969, when Newfoundland decided to build the Churchill Fall station, they struck a deal with Hydro to sell them electricity at a fixed price until 2041. That price is between 30 to 40 times inferior to the average price of Electricity. In exchange, Hydro cover any cost that would go over the initial projected cost of the station, allowing Newfoundland to meet the required guarantees to take loans to build the station. The price pre-date the sharp rise in World Energy prices following the oil crisis of the 70s and recent decades.

Fast forward to today, and Newfoundland wants to renegociate the price, partially because the station's barely turning a profit. They argue they couldn't predict the costs of energy in the future and that Hydro, in good faith, should renegociate. Something Hydro's obviously not too keen on as they argue they DID that the first time, and Newfoundland knew the risk when they agreed to the deal. Hydro meanwhile can resell that electricity at market value (along with their own, as Electricity is one of Quebec's major exports) south of the border. They obviously don't want this to end.

Today's judgement is the capstone of a 10 years long wave of legal battle between the two. So far Hydro's won most of the court cases in the lower court, but we'll see what the Supreme Court has to say.

Note that this is the third time the disagreement between the two reaches the SC. It's their 17th legal bout.

Edited by Ghilz on Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:35:05 AM

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4715: Nov 2nd 2018 at 7:37:30 AM

That sounds kind of inevitable to me. "Meagre" profit is still a profit.

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Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#4717: Nov 2nd 2018 at 8:05:29 AM

Way I see it, NB is probably going to need another election. Unless both minor parties play ball with the Tories, there isn't enough breathing room for them to form a stable government for more than a few months at best. Gets even worse when you account for the Speaker spot needing to be filled.

And I think that everyone knew that Hydro-Quebec was coming out on top in this court case. Newfoundland never had much of a case beyond "we made a bad deal that lasted way too long, pity us."

Edited by Rationalinsanity on Nov 2nd 2018 at 12:12:47 PM

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PhilosopherStones Anyways Here's Darude Sandstorm from The North (lots of planets have them) Since: Apr, 2013 Relationship Status: You can be my wingman any time
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#4718: Nov 3rd 2018 at 8:47:10 AM

This is absolute nonsense. Hydro-Quebec should come back to the table considering the initial deal was made nearly 50 years ago.

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Rationalinsanity from Halifax, Canada Since: Aug, 2010 Relationship Status: It's complicated
#4719: Nov 3rd 2018 at 9:04:46 AM

[up]The Hydro-Quebec deal might not be moral, but it is certainly legal. Making a deal last for a lifetime is just stupid, the people running Newfoundland at the time must have assumed that the energy sector was going to be completely static and immune to shocks.

That said, I suspect that the Newfoundlanders aren't going to be very charitable when the deal expires, and no one could blame them for taking a hard line.

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SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4720: Nov 3rd 2018 at 10:05:43 AM

Besides, aren't such long term projects always subject to some uncertainty as to the eventual outcome?

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#4721: Nov 3rd 2018 at 10:59:48 AM

We're doing a vote on proportional representation in BC. It's a mailed out and mailed in ballot and it is due back at the end of November.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4722: Nov 4th 2018 at 12:45:24 AM

This is absolute nonsense. Hydro-Quebec should come back to the table considering the initial deal was made nearly 50 years ago.

It's also worth pointing out that Hydro's financial backing of the project is also the only reason the project has happened at all. New Foundland doesn't even have a million citizen. It has a smaller budget than several Canadian Cities. It required Hydro's help to secure loans, and Hydro Quebec, at the time was taking huge risks since they were shouldering the burden during a period of energy abundance - there wasn't a guarantee they'd sell that power.

It's also worth point out that at the time they also struggled to find a buyer. Ontario didn't want to buy electricity from other Provinces, and Quebec wouldn't allow power lines to run through itself that didn't belong to them. Especially when Electricity is one of the Provinces' biggest export.

That said, I suspect that the Newfoundlanders aren't going to be very charitable when the deal expires, and no one could blame them for taking a hard line.

The thing is as I mentioned, by the time the deal expires, the station will be 72 year old already. Hydro-Quebec owns 32% of the shares of the Corporation who controls it. And being in Labrador, the only border it has is with Quebec. Meaning if Newfoundland plays hardball, it's going to find itself with an aged power plant they'll struggle to afford, and whose electricity they can't easily sell because the only easy way to the rest of North America requires dealing with Quebec, who has an effective Monopsonynote .

I don't doubt they won't got for such an awful deal as they already have, but playing hardline isn't really an option.

[up] Is it a binding vote or just a consultation thing?

Edited by Ghilz on Nov 4th 2018 at 3:49:51 PM

phantom1 Since: Dec, 2009 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#4723: Nov 4th 2018 at 7:45:16 AM

I'm not sure, I think binding.

Ghilz Perpetually Confused from Yeeted at Relativistic Velocities Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#4724: Nov 6th 2018 at 9:26:44 AM

Ford having to address the departures from his government due to sexual misconducts allegation.

Which is even more ironic from the party that rolled back sex-ed to a curriculum before "consent" is taught.

SeptimusHeap from Switzerland (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Mu
#4725: Nov 6th 2018 at 9:47:16 AM

Well, it's probably much more easy to get away with sexual harassment when the victim doesn't know they are allowed to say "no"...

"For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for Nature cannot be fooled." - Richard Feynman

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