Believe it or not the anime was faithful to the manga with Makoto. She lives alone in both versions and the dub tried to say she still has a mom.
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.Does it say why she lives alone, though?
No. But its something. Did she display this backstory more in the manga?
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.There are two main parts in the manga where I remember Makoto's backstory coming up. One is in the Black Moon arc where she talks to Asanuma (manga-only character who admires Mamoru) in her apartment and she mentions that her parents died in an airplane crash when he asks if she lives alone. The other time is in her "Exam Battle" side story, where she gets scared by the sound of an airplane on a TV show, and that's the only time her fear of airplanes ever comes up in either version that I can remember. In the 90's anime, she likely doesn't have that fear at the time of Stars if she had it before, since she goes on an airplane for a Three Lights event and doesn't have any problems with it, but her parents are still dead in that version.
Edited by Rainbow on Feb 22nd 2023 at 1:44:01 PM
Oops nevermind then. Poor Mako though.
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.It's a good thing the villains in the anime never created an airplane monster.
Huh. Now that I think about it, what are the fears of the other Senshi?
Cause if the bad guys could figure those out, they'd have a sure fire method for challenging them.
One Strip! One Strip!Yeah, that's the part that really bothers me. The manga has these interesting character beats that don't get explored much due to its lighting pace. The anime's much longer run time means those character beats have a lot more time to be developed and examined, but instead largely ignores them.
And sure, part of this is the anime was still being made while the manga was being written, but take this cute dub comparison of the girls finding out Amara/Haruka is a woman;
The manga establishes right from the beginning that all three of those girls have different views on the opposite sex; with Rei being a card-carrying man-hater, Minako shallowly throwing herself at every hot guy, and Makoto being the most emotionally mature.
And then the anime just makes them all Minako. Taken by itself, it's a funny scene, but it's also a big reason why the Scouts in the anime feel a lot more homogenous to me.
Edited by Dracoblade on Feb 22nd 2023 at 1:17:48 AM
@Handsome Rob: Usagi and Chibi-Usa are both afraid of thunderstorms, and that's shown in the anime and possibly the manga as well. All of the Senshi have things that are listed as things they "have trouble with/weakness" in their official stats, but aside from Usagi also being afraid of ghosts and dentists, either they don't come up (in the case of the Outer Senshi) or are probably more on the level of dislike rather than fear, aside from Makoto's fear of airplanes. Ami's Exam Battle story has her get an allergic stress reaction to love letters, but that's only in the manga, so I'm not sure about 90's anime Ami's fears aside from maybe things like failing in school.
Which makes me realize that it was a missed opportunity for Setsuna to not show up in episode 184 of Stars, which is the one where almost all the Senshi except for her and Hotaru end up at Usagi's house. There was a part where a cockroach appears in Usagi's kitchen and the girls (Inner Senshi) get scared of it and Seiya tries to get rid of it for them. That would have been a perfect opportunity for Setsuna to have been part of that scene because then that could have shown her dislike/fear of that type of insect.
Edited by Rainbow on Feb 22nd 2023 at 2:34:45 PM
I won't speak for the manga, but in Crystal in Inners are far more homogenous than in the 90's anime. In that they have no character.
Also this is why Ami was always the best. She was the only one who didn't get bogged down by boy trouble plots.
No, no, she did. She was just the Shy one, so it was a bit more subtle for her.
The Outers may suck in the manga but I love the Outers from the manga.
EDIT: I thought Sterok meant the outers had no personality in the manga. And even if they didnt I still prefer their manga version.
Edited by AegisP on Feb 22nd 2023 at 1:21:13 AM
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.I have a lot of thoughts on the differences between some of the characters in the anime and manga, so I'm gonna group them into some folders.
Now, this is mostly Mamoru up to the end of Sailor Moon R. By Sailor Moon S, he's revamped into being a generic good boyfriend dork guy, and while he has plenty of moments that are genuinely funny and sweet, he's also kind of dull. The manga goes all in on him being Usagi's second half and it shows. Still bummed at Super S for fucking up Mamoru's arc like in the manga.
The anime makes her more in-line with the other girls and focuses more on Rei's anger, sarcasm, and rivalry/friendship with Usagi. The anime's depiction of Rei's relation with Usagi is honestly one of my favorite parts of it, though. They kind of had to depict Rei as more of an opposite to Usagi when making the anime, so they could draw out a comedic dynamic between the two. As such, when it leads into Rei eventually becoming closer to Usagi and capping that off with some heavy moments in the last few episodes, showing how much Usagi trusts Rei and how much Rei respects Usagi, it feels VERY earned. Rei in the manga doesn't really have that kind of dynamic. She has a close relationship with Minako but that only pops up a couple of times.
The manga version also had the whole backstory with Rei's dead mom and her shitty politician dad, which the anime never touched on. They kept Rei going to the girls' academy but never touched on Rei's parents at all...and her grandpa looks completely different between anime and manga.
I'll say that the anime kinda focused more on Makoto being a bit rough around the edges, too. Her debut is different between anime and manga, and I prefer how the anime did it. The manga has her introduced jumping into the middle of the street to save Usagi from being hit by a car. The anime introduces her judo flipping some motherfuckers who tried threatening Usagi with a beatdown. *THAT* sells Makoto as being a tough, scary gal before we realize she's a huge softy. Plus, with more screentime, we get more focus on Makoto being a gender stereotype-defying badass, which I love
Season 1 Minako is vastly different from who she'd be come Sailor Moon R and afterwards. Sure, she has some of the same traits as the Minako we all know. She's kind of goofy and messes her words up and shares a braincell with Usagi. But Season 1 Minako is played a lot more seriously than Minako in the rest of the anime. Her status as a previously-active Sailor is emphasized, as is her being more of an older sister to Usagi who's actually good at helping her out in a non-crazy manner. Contrast Minako doing Usagi's hair in Season 1 with her trying to play nurse in Season 2. I think part of it might've been that the writers hadn't seen enough of Minako's character yet.
Minako in the manga and in the rest of the anime are a bit closer as characters. You could argue that Minako is played more goofy in the rest of the anime, but the anime actually bothers giving Minako several episodes where her serious side is focused on, especially with regard to her conflict between being a Sailor and being a teenage girl and hiding her emotions from the others. Both incarnations are pretty broken people with a lot of shit going on. The manga adds a lot of focus to Minako as the leader of the group (something the anime only alludes to once in Stars, if I remember right), but otherwise it's mostly the context and the events that are different with regard to Minako's serious side.
Edited by Diana1969 on Feb 22nd 2023 at 11:32:38 AM
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De Romanīs, lingua Latina gloriosa non fuī.FUCK. Didn't even notice that.
Fixed it, whoops.
Snazzy little theme from that filler arc about Plant Aliens
About Ami: Ami was a Covert Pervert in the anime. She knew about 'taboo' forms of love immediately, she peeks between her fingers when the others cover their eyes, and she was the first girl to join the Starlights mega fan club, way before Usagi and Minako the famous idol lovers.
Oissu!She's been sheltered for a good chunk of her life, she has the right to indulge every so often
I have found out something really weird. It seems that people in the UK... Dont love Sailor Moon! I thought that was ridiculous. That just cant be. Then I heard MVM sold Sailor Moon DVD's 20 years ago... and they flopped miserably and nearly bankrupt them! I think those DVD's must have sold the Di C dub because that would make more sense I know the Di C dub is really beloved nowadays but back then it was a hard sell. And according to my friends in the UK Sailor Moon has not been relicensed for sale like most other Toei anime!
There was a point even where one of my friends who was a kid during the 2000's that thanks to Pop Girl freaking Mew Mew Power was more known than Sailor Moon. I again laughed it off and I kept thinking the Sailor Moon DVD's must have steamrolled in the UK by now...
If you live in the UK please chime in and tell me how you and your fellow anime fans feel about Sailor Moon!
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.Its not that we don't love sailor Moon it's just..anime isn't as big a deal over here as it is in US,and also because we're not used to watching subtitles apparently
New theme music also a boxIn South Korea, Wedding Peach is far more beloved than Sailor Moon, which is considered an inferior knockoff of Wedding Peach.
Amusingly, neither are knockoffs of the other, but the two anime shared writers and character designers, giving that impression (both manga are quite different).
Oissu!I would accept that and I love your insight and perspective that Ultimatum but there is a thriving anime industry in the UK, many other anime that some would consider obscure in comparison do well there. Also I confirmed it, MVM sold the Di C dub but since fans didnt have any love for the Di C dub and anime fans dont want edited releases it flopped. It hasnt been repurchased for release there. The only thing available in the UK as far as Sailor Moon is concerned is Crystal on Netflix.
Also it is interesting to hear that's the case in South Korea? Are you from there? I definitely know there are Korean Tropers.
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.I'm not from South Korea. I'm just a Wedding Peach fan and would browse forums back in the day when fandoms were all on forums.
Edited by PhiSat on Mar 23rd 2023 at 9:20:14 AM
Oissu!I really want to watch Wedding Peach! And its true its REALLY beloved in South Korea!
Discord: Waido X 255#1372 If you cant contact me on TV Tropes do it here.Here's the second trailer for Sailor Moon Cosmos:
I don't think so, no. Of course, a lot of my memories are from the original Dic dub, which ran roughshod over the original anyway.