Danny Phantom

Neat!

Wonder what kind of shows he's going to pitch to them

Maybe he should take notes from the current shows airing.

You take that back right the f'ck now. /s

I mean the better shows.

Lol, that video is such clickbait to sucker DP fans into thinking there's gonna be a reboot on CN.

edited 11th May '18 3:25:07 AM by AdvFinny

Nothing in the title suggests Danny Phantom,just Butch is back to working at Cartoon Network

I don't think Butch is back with CN, but instead he's working with another company. He was just reminiscing about the good ol' days at CN.

the sh't

Interesting. I figured he would stop making these "what would I have done if I were still doing these old shows" speculatory videos after he officially left Nick.

He's surprisingly dedicated to them, it seems. I'm surprised Nick hasn't tried to shut this down.

He doesn't seem to be speaking poorly of Nick in the few videos of his I've watched I guess.

He was left with a bunch of ideas he couldn't use. Or got a million new ones over the years. Might as well show them off.

Danny Phantom will be fighting Jake Long in a hypothetical, online death match soon. In honor of that I'm rewatching Ultimate Enemy.

It's good, really good. But:

• The time medallions allow you to move when time is frozen, and if you're pulled from one timeline they let you stay in another without disappearing. So how is it that Dan can remove Danny's for several seconds when moments earlier Tucker and Sam were saved from falling debris by removing theirs?
• Also, Dan somehow "phased it" inside of Danny so that it was still intangible... which doesn't make sense. Wouldn't it just fall through Danny's human half?
• Also, Dan throws Danny into the Ghost Zone. The one place where he might get enough help to escape, or be killed by all of Dan's enemies. Dan wanted Danny alive at the time specifically to preserve his own Dark Future existence.
• How is it that Dan can just put on a time medallion and instantly travel back to the past? Nobody else uses them that way. You have to take the medallions off to return to your time period.
• Intangibility is weird - Danny flies through Lancer's briefcase but the test answers somehow... stick to him...?
• Dan's brief "what did we used to do together" is still funny.
• If Vlad separated Danny's human half and his ghost half then... how can Dan "return" to his teenage human form? He killed that form.
• Couldn't Danny have outmaneuvered the ghosts in the Future Ghost Zone by just going human? Like he did against Walker?
• How did Dan send his "ghost self" out like a drone? Danny never did that before.
• So is Danny's ghost half inherently evil? I forget, there was an episode that had him "split" by the Ghost Gloves, right? Vlad separates Ghost Danny from human Danny "to get rid of the latter's pain," but ghost Danny immediately attacks Vlad, rips out his ghost half, and merges with it.
  • Which, come to think of it, the first time Vlad did this Ghost Danny almost killed him. Then, they do the same exact thing to get the medallion out and... this works without any timeline-altering effects. Why didn't Ghost Danny try to kill Vlad and Human Danny in that instance?
• Clockwork manipulated time so that Danny would be in the classroom instead of Dan. I mean, Timey-Wimey Ball, but still.
• Dan says that Clockwork is "meddling again." But, in the original timeline, Dan was created from merging with Vlad, and Clockwork didn't interfere. So, at some point, he must have approached Dan and tried to stop him, right?

Edited by Soble on May 16th 2020 at 2:02:01 AM

There was an episode where Danny split his different halves, but in that episode, his ghost half became a hammy superhero while his human half became a Shaggy-like non-stoner.

Going my not so great memory here.

That might have been normal shapeshifting.

I think it was the dream catcher, but I could be wrong. Ghost Danny was pretty much The Cape as far as I remember, with human Danny being a slacker.

It was a clone.

Answer to like, half of your questions, future Danny has lots of new powers that the present one doesn't have.

As for ghost half being evil, the implication was they intentionally tried to separate Danny from his emotions.

His ghost half also combined with Vlad's Ghost half which does bring up some interesting questions as Future Vlad seems like a way better person than present Vlad.

A lot about Future Danny makes no sense when you think about it. Imo it's the biggest problem the movie has. He's "inevitable," but his origins are convoluted and function on their own rules.

Which is a fair point. I always found it weird how Future Ghost Danny ended up killing the human Danny...despite their never being any indication of the ghost part of Danny being an completely different entity from him barring a joke episode.

Edited by Wispy on May 16th 2020 at 3:05:50 AM

Movies have to up the stakes and be more dramatic to make it worth the spectacle so Danny getting unexplained powers and his ghost self being evil are basically an extensions of this,they wouldn't do it for a normal episode but cos its TV movie special they can

Even as as kid, I remember thinking that Phantom's plan was doomed to fail from the moment Danny found out about it. Even if Dan succeeded in killing Danny's parents, he could have easily just refused to go live with Vlad, or told Vlad what happened with Phantom, or - hell - pledged to live a more positive life despite the loss knowing what would happen if he didn't.

Phantom was an example of the writers wanting to make an "evil future" version of a character, but not actually wanting to commit to the heroes actually becoming evil, so there's a lot of "yadda yadda and then Danny was evil," to the point where if you think about it Dan isn't even really Danny.

Always assumed that was the point.

If there's any character that operates on Rule of Scary rules, it'd be Dan. (Did not realize that was actually a trope until I looked it up.)

I dunno. The point always seemed to me like they were trying to make Danny feel guilty for his mistakes, as if "if you make these mistakes now, you'll end up like Dan later." As if skipping out on the test was the first step to him becoming a bad person.

But Dan wasn't really the result of Danny's mistakes. He's the result of a really complicated string of unfortunate events, and he straight up isn't the same Danny who made those mistakes in the first place.

So whenever Dan says he's "inevitable," it's creepy and everything but he's... not. It's an empty threat.

Edited by KnownUnknown on May 17th 2020 at 6:17:01 AM

On that note, unpopular opinion: Danny didn’t do anything wrong.

These students are literally being told that their entire lives wage on whether or not they do well on this god forsaken test. So the fact that Danny wanted to look at the answers for it (before actually taking it) so he could get a leg up is an opportunity that anyone would take. The kid’s a 14/15 year old boy in high school who saves the city on a daily basis. And Dan was the one who actually cheated while taking the test anyway.

Also, how is Danny cheating on a test essentially an indication that he’s secretly capable of great evil? That whole plot point is just incredibly preachy and frankly, kind of bullshit. And I hate how Lancer just automatically assumes it was Danny who took the answers without any proof. Hell, even when Danny said he “found it” and turns it in, he still gets punished.

I don't think you remember the end of the episode. As Clockwerk explains, the Observants only see the straight line of events that lead to the creation of Dan, which starts with the cheating.

Mind, I'd have to go back and actually rewatch the episode and get a reminder of how it was handled, but it wasn't that Danny was evil because he was cheating or that it was a symptom.

EDIT: It's also very likely that when Vlad removed Danny's ghostly half, it didn't have any of Danny's emotions, leading to the evil present.

Edited by tclittle on May 17th 2020 at 1:48:35 PM