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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#167576: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:11:39 PM

[up] they most likely will just use cgi I feel

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#167577: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:14:12 PM

I feel like there's the possibility they might chicken out on the hypothetical design and give her armor covering instead of the naked silver skin look.

Edited by slimcoder on Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:16:45 AM

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Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#167578: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:20:13 PM

well mystique got away with the naked look even though she wasn't even like that in the comics so they many not chicken out.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#167579: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:21:17 PM

Sometimes they gave silver briefs to Norrin so he'd look less naked.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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Kiobi20 Since: Sep, 2016
#167581: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:22:13 PM

[up][up] that just makes him look sillier, like how a parody of himself would look

Edited by Kiobi20 on Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:22:29 AM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#167582: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:27:35 PM

It's like there is no way to give him a practical redesign or at least you shouldn't.

His whole thing is that he's this cosmic being beyond logic and physics.

If you are trying to make him realistic you are missing the point of the character. He's supposed to be weird.

It's like the Guardians, several of them had the more cosmic elements sanded off like Drax and Star-Lord to make them more grounded space travelers and aliens. You shouldn't do that with Surfer.

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#167583: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:27:48 PM

[up][up] , [up][up][up] Neither of you are wrong. But there have been eras where Marvel was terrified people might think Norrin Radd was bare assing it through space. Despite his no toes.

Edited by Bocaj on Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:28:03 AM

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MurlocAggroB from the second-most ridiculous province of Canada Since: May, 2015
#167584: Apr 3rd 2024 at 9:51:09 PM

I don't think a film that has to introduce the Fantastic Four for the first time

Spider-Man it. Assume the audience is already familiar with the Fantastic 4 and skip the origin story. Given the older cast and 60s aesthetic, that might be the route they're already going.

explore and develop their family dynamic for a new audience

That is not a plot, that is character development. That is a thing that happens while the plot is already happening. You don't have to sacrifice the story to do this.

and also examine the depth and complexity of the Silver Surfer and his/her/their macabre duty will also have space to properly explore the magnitude and horror that is Galactus.

How much screen time did Gozer the Gozerian have? Like, four minutes? Are you going to tell me that the ending of Ghostbusters isn't memorable as fuck? Adding more time to something does not automatically make it better. In fact, too much time can actually reduce mystique. You really only need good setup and like one or two really strong bits to have a great villain.

king15 Having Faun from not certain Since: Mar, 2024
Having Faun
#167585: Apr 4th 2024 at 2:01:14 AM

Hang on a second, itsn't this film set in an alternative universe? And if Galactus is the villain. Oh dear. I predict that he will succeeded, destroy the FF's Earth, and they are forced to travel to the main Earth (maybe to find a way to reverse the destruction?).

Edited by king15 on Apr 4th 2024 at 9:01:27 AM

Dayraven1 Since: Aug, 2023
#167586: Apr 4th 2024 at 4:41:47 AM

“Sometimes they gave silver briefs to Norrin so he'd look less naked.”

That was generally the case in his early appearances (though not in his first appearances in the Galactus Trilogy), seems they stopped doing that by the early 80s.

Other characters who seemed to have a coating like the Surfer or were inhuman like Fin Fang Foom got the trunks treatment in the same era as well.

Edited by Dayraven1 on Apr 4th 2024 at 4:46:16 AM

Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#167587: Apr 4th 2024 at 5:23:56 AM

Like clockwork youtube is throwing a fit about "MsheU" surfer like we won't ever get the 616 version... >_>

Edited by Mizerous on Apr 4th 2024 at 8:24:13 AM

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king15 Having Faun from not certain Since: Mar, 2024
Having Faun
#167588: Apr 4th 2024 at 6:38:38 AM

[up]I imagine, if they go the Mystique route, those complaints will soon disappear.

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#167589: Apr 4th 2024 at 7:16:49 AM

We have an image for 4-4 day. And LOOK AT THAT CITY!

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_9895_5.jpeg

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#167590: Apr 4th 2024 at 7:19:15 AM

Seems like they're abandoning Cap 4 and Thunderbolts, to push the FF hype? OR maybe that's just what's reaching this thread, lol.

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#167591: Apr 4th 2024 at 7:45:40 AM

They really are doing a separate universe!

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MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#167592: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:22:11 AM

Between this and John Krasinski in Multiverse of Madness, it's starting to look like Fantastic Four don't actually exist in Earth-616.

I guess that makes sense, and between that and the multiversal X-Men shenanigans recently, it gives Marvel a reason to lean into Kang or some other multiversal Big Bad.

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Mizerous Takat Empress from Outworld Since: Oct, 2013 Relationship Status: Brewing the love potion
Takat Empress
#167593: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:23:36 AM

It would have been easy to say they got stuck in Negative Zone but that would be too similar to Antman...

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#167594: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:27:03 AM

That Xmen movie be looking really fine when set in another universe…

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Funny but not helpful
#167595: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:28:26 AM

It is harder to suddenly have the Fantastic Four and X-Men pop up all of a sudden

If there’s a benefit to a multiversal saga, it’s that you can have the Fantastic Four and X-Men be established things in their own universes since the big crossovers are going to bridge universes anyway

I think maybe people would have cared more about the multiverse sooner if one of these big projects came out sooner

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#167596: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:34:36 AM

I hope the plot isn't something like 'Galactus eats their Earth so they have to relocate, and Dr. Doom comes along too.'

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#167597: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:39:06 AM

Be cool that since the FF are established, Doom already is their nemesis. He can even show up for a bit of the movie to help with the planet-eating threat. But that probably means you wont get him as a big villain for awhile.

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dcutter2 Since: Sep, 2013
#167598: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:40:11 AM

[up][up]They probably won't make them Failure Heroes like that in their first movie.

I could see something like... they save their Earth from Galactus and then its gets blown up by an incursion in the Stinger though.

If FF is another universe it looks more and more like Secret Wars will do the 2015 thing and merged them together to in-universe retcon in the FF and X-Men.

Edited by dcutter2 on Apr 4th 2024 at 4:40:23 PM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#167599: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:44:26 AM

That’s my guess too

Crisis on Finite Battleworld merges all the relevant universes into one

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MatthewWayne The Man Outside Reality from TVA Headquarters Since: Oct, 2014
The Man Outside Reality
#167600: Apr 4th 2024 at 8:49:28 AM

It would be kind of ironic to be introduced to a variant of Reed Richards who has to live in another universe after his home world was destroyed, after previously meeting a Reed Richards who put our Doctor Strange on trial for accidentally entering his universe.

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