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[Edited by Fighteer]
Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
A rumoured plot detail for the next Spider-Man (take with salt)
Seems to be a loose adaptation of the 1990s "I Am The Spider" plot where Spidey abandoned his civilian identity fully and devoted all his time to being the wall-crawler
Seems logical with how NWH ended: he doesn't really have a civilian identity anymore
Team Rocket Boss.
And they aren't sure if the actors for Ned and Mary Jane will come back.
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
Heh, I speculated that might might be the plot here. A good opportunity to introduce Black Cat who is also ambivalent about her civilian identity?
Team Rocket Boss.
And they have the actor for Vaas available, so Scorpion and Black Cat anybody?
I'll teach you a lesson about just how cruel the world can be. That's my job, as an adult.
But that's exactly how Wanda was defeated. She couldn't be outmuscled or reasoned with, so America outsmarted her by forcing her to have a Heel Realization. Is the problem that Strange wasn't the one doing it? That seems like a silly criticism.
Baby dango
The title character doesn't get to do what he's known for doing in his movie is a weird criticism?
- It's America's movie too.
- Strange gave her the idea.
- Strange still got to do a clever thing with possessing his dead body in order to go help.
- That's besides the point, because it's still an unbeatable villain being outsmarted rather than defeated traditionally. The movie's literally doing the thing they said the movie should do.
Edited by MurlocAggroB on Mar 26th 2024 at 9:33:50 AM
Baby dango
They said the movie should let Dr Strange do it. It's not a weird criticism to want a character to do the thing they known for rather then let someone else do it, like wanting Hulk to get angry and smashing or Spider-Man to websling and quip.
The Man Outside Reality
If they're also doing the Black Suit arc, this could really work in its favor. With Peter having no friends or family to keep him grounded as Peter Parker, the symbiote could be pushing him further to brutality and rage without anyone to stop him. It would be an interesting take on it, that's for sure.
Trust no one.
Black Suit Arc is like the Dark Phoenix of Spider-Man. An obligatory adaption we just don't need to see more of.
The Head of the Hydra
Technically we only did it once in movies granted. It's largely well received for the most part in it'd other adaptations like recently in the Insomniac games.
Zendaya confirmed to be returning for Spider-Man 4
Edited by slimcoder on Mar 26th 2024 at 9:17:15 AM
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
I'm actually surprised. I wonder how large a role it'll end up being though.
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Disasturbator
Its too cool and important NOT to,thats the thing
New theme music also a box
Funny but not helpful
Untrue.
The real cool and unmissable Spider-Moment is when Spider-Man summons the spiders. Yet, no movie has been brave enough to adapt it.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Far From Home already did the black suit arc.
Well, it had a spider-suit that was black, close enough.
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
No, that's not even close to the same thing.
Funny but not helpful
It's funny to me that the black suit arc was a way to dig out of a hole the comic created by giving Peter a suit that was too cool and useful. Why would he ever get rid of it? It's evil. Also, it died for him. Pathos. Now back to boring cloth that doesn't make Peter's life easier. How dare he think he gets nice things. That thing he thought was nice? It's macking on some other dude now and wants to kill him or get back together.
Anyway, would the black suit arc be so ubiquitous in adaptations if it wasn't chapter 0 to Venom? Probably not.
Forever liveblogging the Avengers
Ironically the MCU's blacksuit has already been Venom and wanted to be superhero/lethal protector. So heaven knows how that's supposed to work.
While I kind of like the idea of a Black Suit arc, I think it'd be tricky for the MCU's Spiderman, especially at this point.
One reason is that he kind of speedran that arc in No Way Home. It'd almost be crass for him to start acting like a jerk.
I'd also argue that erasing his relationships kills a lot of the potential for a Black Suit Arc. Personally, how I would want to do a black suit arc with MCU Spiderman is to put those relationships front-and-center, and specifically how the Symbiote is damaging those relationships. I'd have moments like him getting into a shouting match with Ned and MJ, acting defensively when they call out his new behavior, that sort of thing. Then I'd have the realization that he's hurting them be what makes him realize how far he's fallen and his friendship with them be the thing that lets him finally resist the Symbiote's influence.
"Any campaign world where an orc samurai can leap off a landcruiser to fight a herd of Bulbasaurs will always have my vote of confidence"
The Man Outside Reality
Normally, I'd agree with you. And the fact that Sony basically shoved Venom into the end of No Way Home to set that up is really dumb and reeks of desperation to try to connect their "cinematic universe" to Marvel Studios'. But honestly, the more I think of where Peter is in his life and how the Symbiote can affect it, the more of an interesting concept it becomes...if nobody fucks it up.
Think about it. We've seen in various adaptations how the Symbiote can and will destroy Peter's relationships and support groups so it can have the Wall Crawler all to himself. But what happens in a situation where Peter has no relationships or support from anyone? Who or what is going to stop him from just becoming a complete Terror Hero that enjoys inflicting pain upon criminals because the Symbiote is all he has now?
This could be where Daredevil could play an important role in the story. Peter only has a passing familiarity with Matt Murdock, but seeing as though they both are New York based vigilantes, it's not out of the question that Daredevil and Spider-Man could occasionally work together while protecting the city. And they collaborate just enough for Matt to notice what the Symbiote is destroying Spider-Man mentally and perception-wise, but not enough to necessarily be friends yet. Maybe we could even have Kingpin play a similar role to Kraven the Hunter from Marvel's Spider-Man 2 and try to corrupt Spider-Man into killing him.
The idea for Spider-Man 4 could be that just because you lose everything you've ever had, doesn't mean you shouldn't try to build relationships with new people and bring each other up.
That's how I'd do it at least.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Mar 26th 2024 at 10:03:37 AM
Trust no one.
And wasn't the whole "Black suit turns Peter into a jerk" originally from the 90's animated series or was it from something else?
Spirit of Battle
I think the animated series, in the comics it would force Peter to go out while he was asleep and fight bad guys. (Which is in the Insomniac game as well)
You and I remember Budapest very differently
Him and Wanda hell America Chavez was also like that in MOM.
Mileena Madness