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Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM
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I thought that was answered with the showcase of the genocide of the Aztecs. If they couldn't interfere with that horrific event, then there was no chance for them to interfere and stop Hitler.
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"God the eturnals are so USELESS!"
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I'm pretty sure Phastos contributed exactly 0 to nuclear physics development.
It's clear in the movie that, while he wants to do more for the creatures they were sent to protect, he still works within the limits Ajak set, and they explicitly don't involve themselves in human conflicts.
No, humans developed the bomb all on their own, and what Phastos hates is that his direct involvement in their development early on lead to the horror unleashed in WW2.
Edited by MrSeyker on Nov 28th 2021 at 2:43:44 AM
I agree, the film provides a pretty good argument that Phatos never designed weapons for humans. That goes against at least two of their codes.
The ol’ “bone club into nuclear satellite”.
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 28th 2021 at 3:11:29 AM
The Man Outside Reality
So apparently Sony has 3 more movies with Tom Holland and Marvel Studios lined up.
This should be interesting.
Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 29th 2021 at 10:20:22 AM
Trust no one.
Link's broken. Got any alternatives?
It should also be that Tom Holland will continue to be Spider-Man in that trilogy. Guess ppl here might finally get their "adult" Peter Parker.
Edited by DoubleOG on Nov 29th 2021 at 10:20:22 AM
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Fixed it. Dunno what happened with it earlier.
You Fixed That Damn Link!
Now...you give him rent?
The Man Outside Reality
Queen of Good Things, Honest
So I just noticed something. Thor was able to defeat Hela by destroying Asgard, because Asgard is the source of her power. When Surtur destroyed the city, Hela's power was broken and Surtur was able to kill her too.
I'm watching Thor: Ragnarok right now and Valkyrie said something very interesting in the scene where Thor attempts to recruit her. Hela's power comes from Asgard "same as yours," she says to Thor.
Whatever aspect of Asgard provides Hela with her Goddess of Death abilities also provides Thor's God of Thunder abilities. That's why he needed Stormbreaker in Infinity War. The destruction of Asgard stripped Thor of his power, just the same as it did to Hela. Stormbreaker and Mjolnir act as independent generators for Thor's godly abilities.
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Huh!
If true it would also help explain why party Thor had such a great showing against Carol
Edited by Bocaj on Nov 30th 2021 at 2:28:29 PM
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You mean in What If??
He did do surprisingly well, despite the fact that he should arguably be weaker since he's only using Mjolnir. Even with Carol claiming she had to hold back and all, I'd think she'd still take that fight a little better.
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While she was holding back she was clearly intending to hurt him but absolutely none of her blows actually did anything.
If Carol has to risk blowing up the planet to defeat him then that indicates his durability is absolutely massive.
"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
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He was rocking the massive heir of Asgard buff and didn’t even know
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Okay that makes a whole lot of sense and is also explicitly text so I don't know why we never picked up on this before.
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Loki, meanwhile, has to settle for learning magic from Frigga. Because, as an adopted Jotun, he is not eligible to receive cool god powers from Asgard itself.
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But does that mean Frigga's powers don't come from Asgard? And if so, where? And does Odin's power come from Asgard too?
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MAKE IT STOP!
Edited by fredhot16 on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:46:37 AM
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In the comics, Frigga is from Vanaheim
Which is populated by weirdo shamans and druid types
Edited by Bocaj on Nov 30th 2021 at 2:46:43 PM
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Frigga and Loki's abilities are magic. They've been referred to as such since even back in the first Loki film, when the MCU was otherwise downplaying magic. Those two are practicing sorcerers.
Edited by TobiasDrake on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:47:24 AM
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So that’s why Thanos was able to kick Thor’s butt really easily when he attacked The Statesman?
Edited by Tuckerscreator on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:47:53 AM
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Okay, that makes sense. But Odin's the god of magic in traditional mythology, correct? Does that apply in the MCU as well? And if so, is it the same as Frigga and Loki's or different?
Edited by MatthewWayne on Nov 30th 2021 at 11:49:45 AM
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in before someone asks "why didn't the eternals stop the nazis!?"
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