Marvel Cinematic Universe

In terms of the MCU's execution of the X-Men and the prejudice metaphor and stuff you probably wouldn't strictly need to go all hyper fucking hard R rating Darker and Edgier but I can't help but be intrigued by the idea. And regardless of how exactly dark or serious it pans out, it's all but common sense that you should gather a diverse crew of directors, writers and actors like the current Phase 4 slate is aiming for.

I don't actually expect that the MCU will lean too heavily into anti-mutant racism. They were reluctant to have the actual Nazis be Nazis; there's pretty much a zero-percent chance of groups like the Purifiers making it in.

Well, it was telekinesis so she could have been cheating with them. I don't remember whether she was or not.

Coincidentally, the whole controversy around her being banned from sport because mutant made Spider-Girl Mayday Parker also quit basketball, deciding that it wasn't fair for her to be competing when she has superhuman strength, agility, and limited precognition.

You bet purists of the comics will gripe about that when it comes to God Loves Man Kills

Of fact, Nancy didn't cheat.

As people did not know that May had powers, the students thought that she left the team as a form of protest. In plan: "If Nancy leaves the team, I'm leaving too"

Edited by JoLuRo075 on Dec 2nd 2019 at 3:39:44 AM

Also, I would prefer nuanced villains because the MCU really REALLY does not need more generic bad guys.

Is HYDRA more explicitly nazi in the comics?

I think the best way to depict villains, particularly those with xenophobic campaigns that parallel real ones, is to have some that are vicious and some who are nuanced within the same work. Other MCU films have done this well, like Winter Soldier with Zola and Pierce, Thor Ragnarok with Hela and Skurge, and Black Panther with Killmonger and W'kabi. That way, it shows there are multiple ways to carry out evil, both for the pleasure of doing it and from misguided ideals. No one is left off the hook that way.

Depending on the Writer. Sometimes.

Edited by Tuckerscreator on Dec 2nd 2019 at 3:47:03 AM

In a world where people take selfies with the Hulk, mutants are hated for their powers.

Wolverine should have done more selfies.

I mean to be fair the world went to shit after Thanos and considering Hulk brought mostly everyone back that is enough to let him have a day off from governments poking at him in a cage.

Yeah, 616 Hydra is explicitly a Nazi organization founded by Nazis and carrying out Nazi ideology. It's let by the 616 Red Skull, who is the Naziest Nazi who ever Nazied a Nazi.

There isn't even the slightest debate in the comics that Hydra = Nazis and Nazis = Hydra. They're not kinda sorta associated kinda but also kinda not. Hydra, even in the modern day, are 100% Nazis.

What did people think of Banner!Hulk anyway?

It felt really weird to me. Like I'd missed a huge part of his arc or something. Can this guy get another movie already? (So I can finally get my Leader)

Edited by GNinja on Dec 2nd 2019 at 12:20:35 PM

I figured in Ragnarok that they were setting up for the merging of Banner and Hulk, which was reinforced when in Infinity War Hulk just refused to come out.

I'm dissapointed that we didn't witness the process, but I'm happy with the result. I see this an absolute win.

Due to rights issues no he can’t get another movie, at least not one titled Hulk

I like Professor Hulk but I wish we got to see him in the action scenes more. As-is we only really see him as Hulked-out Banner, and never Bannered-out Hulk.

He's barely present in the final battle.

What changed between Incredible Hulk and now? Is it that they CAN make a Hulk movie, but it would be really expensive?

Yes, all of this comes from Jonathan Hickman's SHIELD comic.

In Ragnarok and Infinity War it was clear that Hulk and Banner were reaching a breaking point where they had to sort things out. I would have liked to see that Character Development happen onscreen, but I don't fault them for having it happen during the Time Skip. The issue remaining unresolved over those five years would have been unrealistic. It also helped contribute to the feeling that Nothing Is the Same Anymore after five years: Iron Man is living in a quiet riverside cabin with his wife and daughter, Thor is fat and depressed, Hawkeye is an edgy swordsman, and Hulk has a merged personality and is a celebrity.

I will say that for all that talk of putting the brains and the brawn together, his brains weren't enough to figure out the science, and his brawn was not particularly relevant. He was the only person that could undo the snap, which is a big deal, yes, but that was pretty much the only moment in the film where his abilities were important.

> Is it that they CAN make a Hulk movie, but it would be really expensive?

When Disney pays for it money is not the issue,the issue is getting a good director who won't make another crappy Hulk movie,you could have the biggest budget in history and still have a crappy hulk movie

The legal issue is that Universal still holds the distribution rights to any film with Hulk in the title, so while Disney could make one they wouldn't get all the profits they could get from just putting Hulk in a movie not called "Hulk".

The two Hulk movies we got show the problem with balancing the two important aspects of Hulk, which are the psychology of the character versus the action-oriented nature of his powers and stories.

The Ang Lee Hulk leaned heavily on the psychological angle, which was interesting, but that fact combined with its weirdness, some questionable choices and its massive length meant it was divisive with audiences.

The Incredible Hulk leaned heavily on the action, but the problem is they didn't do a good job with the actual storytelling. It had very lackluster characterization and was very boring and forgettable, since it was hard to care about anything that happened.

The Ang Lee movie is clearly superior in my eyes, but the ideal Hulk movie would probably find a middle ground between those two.

I surprisingly really liked Blonsky in that movie, actually.

In general, I find Incredible Hulk a pretty easy watch. It took me aback a little bit when I learned that it wasn't particularly well recieved.

I love Ang Lee's Hulk. It was weird and hauntingly captivating in a way no superhero movie has been before or since. Or probably ever will be again. IT also did Ross really well, I thought.

Edited by GNinja on Dec 2nd 2019 at 1:11:51 PM

Blonsky is the one redeeming factor of TIH because he's the most strongly defined character and Tim Roth is doing his best with the material, but unfortunately he can't carry the movie by himself.

Also yeah I really liked Ang Lee's Hulk film myself. It's got a lot of problems but I do think it has a lot of merit to it and is a very interesting film despite the flaws.

I know a deleted scene in Infinity War would have had Bruce and Hulk come to some sort of agreement and led to them defeating Cull Obsidian. It would have laid the groundwork for Professor Hulk a lot better, but it was apparently cut because it was too triumphant a moment right before the Downer Ending.

Which is why I wish it was kept in. Trick the audience into thinking the Avengers could triumph again, only for the ending to take it all away. I think Bruce tends to get the shaft the most out of the core Avengers, mostly because he hasn't had a solo movie since Phase One. He's mostly a supporting character, so he's not given as much focus as other heroes.

At least he got to be the one to undo the Snap. That was cool.