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Welcome to the main discussion thread for the Marvel Cinematic Universe! I'm editing this OP and pinning it to establish some basic guidelines. All of the Media Forum rules still apply.

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[Edited by Fighteer]

    Original post 
Since Thor and now Captain America came out this year, I wanted to get what Tropers thought of the concept and execution of the Marvel Cinematic Universe in general. Personally I love the idea and wonder why this idea hasn't been seriously tried before. It sorta seems to me like the DCAU in movie form (And well, ummm, with Marvel), and really 'gets' the comic book feel of a shared universe while not being completely alienating.

Edited by Fighteer on Dec 15th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105076: Jul 12th 2019 at 6:36:42 PM

[up]He’s the most likely thematic replacement for Fu Manchu, who was totally a Marvel character at one point. Then again, so was Godzilla.

We need of list of characters that are somehow canon in Marvel that shouldn’t be. Like how Death’s Head origin involves both the Transformers and Doctor Who (specifically the Seventh Doctor).

Edited by Beatman1 on Jul 12th 2019 at 9:42:52 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105077: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:16:52 PM

Fun fact: Marvel actually has an Expy of the Doctor, called Professor Gamble, who first showed up in a kooky Power Man & Iron Fist story (complete with Captain Ersatz Daleks).

TobiasDrake Queen of Good Things, Honest (Edited uphill both ways) Relationship Status: Arm chopping is not a love language!
Queen of Good Things, Honest
#105078: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:42:04 PM

Rescue left me with mixed feelings. Like a lot of Endgame, it felt awesome and satisfying on a superficial level, but hollow on reflection.

When it happened, I was just like "F*CK YES!!! WHOO!!!" I've been wanting Pepper to get the Rescue armor forever, and I was pretty mad at Iron Man 3 for failing to do that. Like, Tony's making a f*ckton of suits explicitly to protect Pepper and doesn't pay a single thought to making a suit that she's supposed to wear? That's ridiculous.

So. Yeah. Was thrilled to see Rescue show up.

But. Also. Like. The last time we saw Pepper prior to Endgame, she was chastising Tony for his new Arc Reactor. She has always resented the Iron Man suit. For pretty much her entire character history, Marvel's used her as the nagging girlfriend archetype; supportive where needed, but also entirely willing to make her displeasure over him being a superhero known at every opportunity. Hell, they've even broken up over it.

There is no way in Hell that Pepper "If you wanted kids, you wouldn't have done that" Potts stepped into an Iron Man suit of her own volition. Not without the narrative cheating of just having her show up, no questions asked, and never addressing it.

Edited by TobiasDrake on Jul 12th 2019 at 8:44:39 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105079: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:47:22 PM

The narrative did cheat.

Don't forget, five years had passed and they'd had a child together. She got to see Tony's regret over failing (though he may have pushed passed it) and he was already making her the suit before hand (the helmet that Morgan was playing with).

Also, she was the one who convinced him to even get involved in the Time Heist in the first place after he admitted he figured it out. She'd clearly come to accept that side of him after so long.

So yeah, she decided welp! Since this was my idea, might as well strap on my Sunday best! And boom! Rescue to the Rescue.

Someone get me a mic to drop!cool

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Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105080: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:51:42 PM

It's the battle for the fate of the freaking universe. Thanos was going to destroy everything she and everyone held dear.

Also, earlier in the movie, she has made peace with the fact that Tony was going to get himself involved no matter what, and she supported that wholeheartedly. Pepper has had some character development since the last time we saw her.

Falrinn Since: Dec, 2014
#105081: Jul 12th 2019 at 7:55:37 PM

[up][up][up] I feel that was adequately addressed within Endgame itself. During her conversation with Tony she encouraged him to pursue time travel, having apparently made her peace with Tony's obsessions. Probably in part because Tony proved he could balance his obsessions with living a normal life in the long term.

She's hardly the only character to undergo major development in the five year timeskip, and isn't even the most drastic example.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105082: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:06:25 PM

[up][up] and [up]

Yes exactly.

Get these two some mics as well.

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alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105083: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:25:41 PM

Regarding Shang-Chi, Ronny Chieng has a pretty good suggestion.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 12th 2019 at 9:25:48 AM

Nightwire Since: Feb, 2010
#105084: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:27:06 PM

[up]Haha I was about to post that too!

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#105085: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:27:57 PM

Huh being named Miraculous & God-like is pretty dope.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#105086: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:33:31 PM

When I think of 上氣 it just makes me think of smoking, as in cigarettes.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#105087: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:34:40 PM

How do you do write like that here?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: Aug, 2015
The Head of the Hydra
#105089: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:45:05 PM

Where do I go to generate them then?

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
AlleyOop Since: Oct, 2010
#105090: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:53:27 PM

Look them up in a Chinese dictionary. I just copied them from the tweet.

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105091: Jul 12th 2019 at 9:55:54 PM

您也可以使用谷歌翻译. 虽然对坏翻译保持警惕.

Edited by alliterator on Jul 12th 2019 at 9:56:51 AM

TargetmasterJoe Since: May, 2013
#105092: Jul 13th 2019 at 8:42:17 AM

Translation for [up]:

You can also use Google Translate. Be wary of bad translations.

So anyway, it looks like San Diego Comic Con kicks off this coming Thursday (or Wednesday). Anyone nervous about what'll be on the horizon?

The Russo Brothers have been teasing a big announcement on Friday 7/19 at 11am.

It's probably nothing to do with Marvel though, right?

alliterator Since: Jan, 2001
#105093: Jul 13th 2019 at 9:37:01 AM

They are going to re-re-release Endgame, this time with an additional scene after the credits. (It's Scott Lang going "So, hey, whatever happened to the Vision?" and everyone avoiding his gaze.)

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#105094: Jul 13th 2019 at 9:41:56 AM

It's pretty funny to think that the Avengers only lost 4 members all in all (and only 3 of them died; the last one is complicated).

From a purely utilitarian position (though I may be using the wrong word), they came out of Infinity War / Endgame pretty well.

Only the Guardians came out better, regaining the one member they couldn't get back (though in an unexpected way, and gaining two new members in Thor and Nebula, the latter of whom was already practically one of them).

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out.
#105095: Jul 13th 2019 at 10:30:13 AM

No, you used the right word. Utilitarian basically means "the happiness of the many outweighs the happiness of the few". From a utilitarian point of view, the Avengers losing only four people is much better than if they had lost much more people.

Of course, it's a flawed ideology, since it completely condones large groups of people exploiting smaller groups of people, but that's neither here nor there.

Cross (Don’t ask)
#105096: Jul 13th 2019 at 10:30:37 AM

[up][up][up] Forgot about him, damn he got the shortest straw.

Edited by Cross on Jul 13th 2019 at 1:31:56 PM

Gaon Smoking Snake from Grim Up North Since: Jun, 2012 Relationship Status: Above such petty unnecessities
#105097: Jul 13th 2019 at 10:34:32 AM

They might have lost the Hulk as a physical brawler, depending how permanent the damage to his arm is.

"All you Fascists bound to lose."
Theokal3 Since: Jan, 2012
#105098: Jul 13th 2019 at 10:44:00 AM

I saw a video from a guy thought Banner should be the new head of the Avengers.

Ultimatum Disasturbator from Second Star to the left (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
Disasturbator
#105099: Jul 13th 2019 at 11:14:54 AM

The avengers needs a new leader,someone plucky,courageous..

[Squirrel girl walks in]

New theme music also a box
Beatman1 Since: Feb, 2014 Relationship Status: Gone fishin'
#105100: Jul 13th 2019 at 11:22:04 AM

Whatever happened to that New Warriors series she was supposed to headline? Last I heard the word was they deliberately withheld it from Hulu to save it for Disney+.


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